Why was the Votebox closed?
I would like to know this too. And what is happening with all the suggestions from it?
We are unable to add all hundreds of requested features and, each time we add a new one, it can give you a false impression that we ignore all others which is certainly not the case.
In addition, we must continue to be very prudent about what we add to our apps and software– this way, we can ensure that Todoist remains a beautifully designed and easy-to-use app which is the reason most of our users choose it as their preferred to-do list.
That said, we have not deleted the contents of the Votebox, we have it in our database and we'll continue improving Todoist based on your past and future requests.
That is really a very bad descission! I think the votebox is the best instrument to improve Todist. Off course there were many suggestions but they all were priorised. I'm premium user till october and now this is a big con to extend my premium plan. It forces me to look for alternatives. Actually you ignore these suggestion and with the current descission you are going to hide all the users demants documentet in the votebox!
All the valuable suggestions to improve todoist - step by step are hidden ... that is realy sad!
I have to second the notion that disabling Votebox is a poor choice.
It sends the message that you don't want to hear what's important to your customers RIGHT NOW, and believe me, I have now heard that message loud and clear. Had I known that you were moving in that direction, I do not believe I would have signed up for a premium account, and I will likely examine the available options and move on when I identify it. I always prefer to deal with companies which are open to customer input in an organized fashion.
Most businesses that effectively use Votebox and its ilk make it clear that it's an advisory system and no guarantee is made that any particular feature will be implemented, or that any that are implemented will be done in order of popularity.
We have not changed anything about the way we develop. We are still taking your suggestions, your complaints and incorporating that into what we do next. We just simply do not have a public location dedicated to this.
I understand this. However, I find it disturbing that the team somehow thinks tracking a system for customer improvements that is basically random email and forum posts is a better idea than something which can be used to gather information in a more automated fashion and potentially allows for better analysis of the data gathered.
I'm sure you had reasons for this, but the message it SENDS is negative and takes a way a level of transparency, which is a very poor customer message.
I'm a premium member currently. I'm not throwing a tantrum and closing my account unless I find a better option, but I WILL look, since I feel that my trust has been weakened. Perception is everything in marketing. You've injured that perception.
Agree with all the folks above.
NirvanaHQ did the exact same thing. They were awesome listeners of their users, and then once they had a finished product, they closed down their entire discussion forums. People left in droves, many jumping to Todoist even (including me).
Now I see the same thing happening here. Who's to believe that you will not close down this forum as well, and expect to provide support just via email?
Not that you would, bust just saying. That's the kind of questions such an action raises.
Folks who participate in this forum, and voted in the votebox, are your most vociferous users who help spread Todoist by word of mouth. They love the attention they get, and feel part of the development process by voting. They write great things about Todoist in forums and websites.
Attempts to alienate them by such actions is not a good move.
I've made suggestions and drawed ways how it could be implemented since I'm using Todoist. All in a constructive way. Now, this is like a slap in my face :-(
Agree with all the above. It was really nice feature which helped a lot understanding future road map and that your voice as a client matters.
My recommendation to this issue:
- Open a page with a roadmap
- Add the most requested features ordered by users demand
- priorise bugfixes at the top
When these roadmap is fixed consider to reopen the votebox while creating a new roadmap.
With that you'll get back the transparancy wich is very importend.
A shame it doesn't work anymore. Where are we supposed to post suggestions now?
You're welcome to continue sending your suggestions to us directly using this Support section :-)
Honestly, I absolutely can't understand that decision. I think that this is really wrong and after waiting for month to be able to filter projects and tracking the (non existing) progress via the votebox, I'm now convinced that my premium membership I signed up for in January was a fault.
I agree with Markus' idea of a public roadmap. At least we know where ToDoist is going.
As for the Votebox, it was a poor decision to remove it, but from my experience, I didn't think ToDoist was even using that forum to decide features. So whether it's there or not, I expect no change in the way ToDoist operates.
This poor decision definitely sends the message that the items at the top of the votebox aren't what Todoist is looking to add to their product. This tells me that despite coming back to Todoist after looking at other products, it is probably time to move on once again. Todoist is STILL lacking some basic, high-voted features (sorting by Project, Evernote integration, etc.) and the removal of the votebox tells me I'm not going to see these items anytime soon.
The removal of the Votebox very clearly discourages user feedback, because who is going to shoot off an email every time we think of something we'd like to see in Todoist? It was much easier to simply vote for something someone else submitted to the Votebox. This decision is really, really discouraging.
so I guess todoist is basically "finished" and we won't see basic functions like filtering with projects?
I second Markus Nordhaus's suggestion.
I just joined premium this month, this is quite disappointed.
If the Votebox is too overwhelming, I would not mind you guys say no to even popular feature requests or resetting all votes and deleting inactive requests after each major release.
Yep, I agree that not having any customer transparency/Roadmap is a bad idea IMHO (although I can understand closing the Votebox, to focus your efforts).
"... this way, we can ensure that Todoist remains a beautifully designed and easy-to-use app which is the reason most of our users choose it as their preferred to-do list."
If this is the true reason, then I fully support your decision. We need a fast, easy to use, simple but still powerful and reliable application. That's what todoist is right now. Like most other people, I'd also like to see a couple of improvements/upgrades - but not at the expense of sacrificing some of the core advantages. Let's just remember the recent problem when many users could not log in for a whole day etc... There are certain clear priorities and I feel confident that the todoist group (still) has the right "instinct" for addressing the most important features first. Keep up the good work!
I agree with the roadmap idea. Are there any plans for this? I think it would remedy the disappointment that many users feel associated with Votebox closing, and would give us an idea of what to expect.
We're not planning to provide a roadmap and we never did. The Votebox also wasn't a clear roadmap as sometimes we had to add a feature with less votes before one with more votes if it was technically more reasonable to do so, other times we could add something that wasn't suggested per se and we always work from one feature to another.
That is - once one is added, we're them back to the "drawing board" to see when next feature we will add based on multiple factors - user feedback being a strong one, but not the only one. The only thing that has always been and will continue to be on our roadmap is to keep things simple, useful and yet powerful :-)
I work in an agile software environment so I very much understand that requirements can change frequently, and, with the exception of companies using the dated waterfall approach, it's nearly impossible to have a long-term roadmap available for users.
However, I'm wondering why it's not possible to have essentially a "coming up next" list - that is, features that are in the current iteration, so you pretty much know they will be going in. I think it would give users something to look forward to when they can at least see what is coming in the immediate future, even if the long-term is too fluid to provide as public knowledge. Is the reason because "bug fixes" (which are critical for software quality but often less valued by end users) is often what is next and is discouraging for users to see (as opposed to new features)? Or is there some other reason?
It's the same reason - there have been features which we began to work on, but had to stop. They've been added later, sometimes after a few other features, sometimes a month later, a week etc. We also always want to focus on quality first so any estimated deadline we'd give wouldn't even be true as sometimes it would take a week more for a new feature to work correctly, sometimes a month during which something else would be added along the way.
Technology evolves very fast nowadays and we must evolve with it - either adapt to new solutions certain platforms offer as they update or support new platforms or ways which you use to connect. This can and will always influence deadlines, plans and roadmaps. That said, you can always expect great new features, post your ideas, let us know what you like and what you don't like and we'll keep improving offering you great positive surprises each time a feature is ready for release :-)
This is a sad development in a negative direction. Been away for a while, huge disappointment in Wundercrap 3 promo video, saw ALL mine and many critical postings many with perfectly valid points deleted from their forums until only "shiny happy" praise was left, and thought to myself, "Screw this, I'll go back to Todoist - at least they, unlike Wunderclowns and Notvana, listen to their users and develop according to feedback."
Now I come back to find votebox deleted, with replies like "we develop according to many factors, user feedback being just one of them."
You fail to realize your open ears was the simply the strongest feature of your "system with simple but powerful features".
New developments ≠ renew subscription.
Yep, Adrian, hit the nail on the head.
Our ears remain open as they always were, there will be no changes in the development process of Todoist at all and no changes in our desire to listen to your feedback which you can send us 24/7 and we'll read and reply to it. We will not delete it if it's negative.
At least a road map of upcoming features wouldn't be hard to provide?
Just like when the Votebox was there, we still can't provide such roadmaps now for reasons mentioned in my previous replies to Maya in this thread :-(
One of the reasons I think Trello is so successful is that they are very public about what they're working on. Their Development board, the one the staff use to track progress, tasks, implementations, etc. is PUBLIC. Anyone can see it, and anyone with a Trello account can comment, vote, etc. The board, so you can see → https://trello.com/b/nC8QJJoZ/trello-development
It's factually incorrect to say your development process isn't going to change when you take away the biggest form of user feedback, unless you never looked at it in the first place. It WILL change because you WILL NOT get as much feedback from users. Trello is as successful as it is because the developers are constantly working with the users to provide the best product they can, and having their developers constantly in talks with the users makes the user feel powerful and invested. Now we have no way to feel like we're helping make Todoist. We're just users with no voice, stuck with whatever you guys think is best while we have been clamoring for years on very highly voted items that you still haven't implemented. This, plus you saying "your development process won't change" tells me you guys never looked at the Votebox in the first place. It's the only thing that fits.
We're very sorry to hear that you feel this way :-( Nonetheless, we will still continue to listen to your feedback and improve Todoist.
+1 for Devon!! :-!
Nonetheless, always stay sensitive to what paying customers have to say. You have a great product, don't waste it. (+1) :-/
Votebox was the one of several features that drive me to buy premium account. I thought that if you guys take that kind of feedback seriously your app will improve constantly in direction that pleased your customers.
Nobody of your competitors had this tool in that time and now you haven't. So sad.
I too liked the votebox. I read several discussion threads and learned some very nice tips from other users, especially when there was some debate about adding new features. Overall, it was a constructive tool in more ways than one.
Not satisfied with your decision to disable the votebox.
This was one of the main reasons, why I changed from RTM to Todoist. Because of the very active community and my double vote as a premium member!
How many comments in just over a month, and there seems only rhetoric coming from TDI.
Guys - rhetoric aint gonna fly, you've got to walk your talk.
Having had a read maybe ToDoIst shall reconsider its decision. Once there is a ToDo-App that is capable of doing a few things right ToDoist is going to lose a bunch of customers - even though I love ToDoIst :-S
How about setting up our own votebox (e.g. uservoice) and forwarding our votes to todoist? I am serious about taking more influence in the current development work ;-)
Also not satisfied with your decision to disable the votebox
I would like to access my votebox suggestions. Where did the data go??
I undestand that it's not as easy as people think to implement new features. It's not all about coding, not about having as many features as possible, but having a solid, well thought product - and so far you did a great job, obviously.
However, those arguments have nothing to do with shutting down the votebox. It's only a tool to estimate how many people would like a feature. You certainly won't count all those +1 in this forum manually. You stated, that Todoist is all about a simple yet powerful system - why does collecting feature requests not follow this guideline?
I also see, why you don't want to give us a roadmap. However, I think you misunderstand the need for this 'feature'. We don't want to know, what features will be included in the next release. We just want to know, what the *status* of feature requests is. Most features are 'under consideration' - this just means, that we don't even know, whether you will ever implement it. Other features are already planned, but not yet implemented. Just like the GCal real time synchronization. You stated, that it's about "when" not "if" - and that's enough for me. It's the staying in the dark about other features that makes people leave (or not join in the first place). You are afraid, that people start complaining, if you promise a feature, and it won't be implemented in the next release - but that is already happening. Many people complained about your karma improvement. Not because it's bad, but because more important features are still missing.
So this is my suggestion: rethink the way you handle feature development and the communication with your (paying) customers. Instead of stating that you cannot do something (like showing a roadmap), find out what people really ask for and consider alternative solutions that make everyone happy. A well designed product is important and it takes time, but right now you convey a feeling, that your product is more important than your customers (probably justifying it with the idea, that a great product will draw more customers, which sounds like a paradox to me). And that's what really bothers most people here.
Darek, you wrote great! Thank you for this meaningfull comment. I support you.
@Darek: you nailed it. Kudos for you.
I really hope that the folks at Todoist pay attention to it and reconsider the violent destruction of the votebox.
@Darek, I totally agree. My premium membership is about to come up for renewal, and a very popular feature I had suggested to the vote box still hasn't shown up in development. And now that they've taken away the vote box, it makes it very obvious that they just don't want people seeing that they're neglecting features that people have been asking for for years. I don't know if I should renew.
Sadly ToDoIst staff has not replied to the latest posts - just another indication that they are not willing to reconsider their thoughts.
I read your explanation above, but I can't understand why it's esier for you to collect our improvements and tips by individual threats, instead of by votebox. I really liked this feature.
I understand that you can't implement all the features we would like to see, but by using the votebox you could see which features are most popular so you could focus on the threats making the most people happy.
I would like to see the votebox back ;)
Severely disappointed in the removal of the Votebox and the way Todoist has handled this issue. If they won't meet this simple and well-argumented request for restoring this feature, then how can we expect Todoist to do any of the other improvements we would like to see? Sounds to me like Todoist is trying to avoid comments on their behavior (https://reddit.com/145fby) and user supervision on how their money is used, while they implement even more new karma systems and no serious features.
Reducing my app ratings and reconsidering my pro-account ...
Also agree with Darek. Well stated. For these reasons (lack of communication with users and focus on "fancy" features like karma and location based reminders instead of basic tools like sorting or filtering) I am one more premium user who will not be renewing my subscription.
As I say in many of my posts here - there is so much I love about Todoist, I keep checking back, hoping for encouragement that they will implement features that allow Todoist to meet my needs. Unfortunately, so far I am not encouraged that this will be the case.
I was looking for the votebox and instead found this post.
This is rather disappointing and sad. Nobody ever thought the votebox was your official todo list. But it was certainly a way for you to dialog with your users.
I understand from this decision that you want to stabilize your product and that you don't want to develop "big new features".
You should have consider the idea of offering an "advance mode" to your power users, instead of rejecting everything that doesn't fit in a "minimalist" user interface.
I'll keep my eyes open on your competition. Todoist is indeed very simple, but it also lacks several important features that would simplify my life.
And yes, I know it's a old thread, but I was not voteboxing regularly.
Not for nothing, but it's really something to see the number of Todoist Karma Masters on this thread. We are clearly people that are using the product regularly, and are likely to be evangelists for it. I don't know why this is a group you'd ignore.
I cannot agree more with all the people above.
Its more than a year now since votebox is closed, and product look like it started to stagnate.
Time to look for alternatives.
No significant changes for a while. No idea whether the things I'm crying out for are wanted by others anymore. No (visible) promise of changes to provide these anymore. Time to find a service that already provides them or visibly promises them soon.
I say it about my job, I say it about politics, I say it about providers of services and products I consume: transparency and communication is absolutely key to good customer relationships. Looks like ours is soon to be over.
Agreed Tom. I wanted to see what kind of features Todoist was releasing, so I went back to their blog for the last 3 years and looked at all their announcements about features. The results are revealing:
Take a look.
I encourage everyone who feels this way (that Todoist does not listen to their customers, etc.) to spread the word. As long as Todoist keeps luring people in with their slick interface, there is no reason for them to listen to users and add features. I really would like to see Todoist become awesome - but until they listen to users, that's not happening.