Anyone found a method to live-fully sync Todoist with Google calendar ?
Thanks & regards,
Unfortunately, we still have the same limitation that is imposed by Google.
Google provide the API that allows your team to have full sync,
If there is some difficulties I'm happy to lead a team to make it done :)
Could you please point me to the link where the API documentation can be found? I'd like to pass this along to our devs. Thanks in advance. :-)
Please find the links below:
Looking forward to hearing form you.
How to send you a private message ?
I have passed this along to our developers. Thank you for this again!
Thanks for that! I'm looking forward to use this improvement!
Yes - please let us know when this becomes available. Full Synch with Google Calendar will make Todoist a really fabulous tool.
OMG that would be amazing!
did you get any update from the developer ?
So far we haven't, but it's on the dev's to-do list and we'll look into this.
Take for example the software: my-priorities.com
Everything syncs perfectly, even if you change or delete tasks, it changes directly in the calendar that is not the case with Todoist.
This is the only thing that stops me on the use of Todoist.
I'm happy to hire someone to program a small app that does the sync job, then I can provide it as external service with minimum charges to cover the cost ............ my question is; would todoist give me a word "not tp provide this option for the coming 6 months" so I can cover the cost ?
As much as we appreciate users and people creating things with our API, and our follow base, we would not be able to cover the cost on another product that is not ours.
Unless I a mistaken with exactly what you want and what you are creating.
Actually, a mistaken with exactly what I want and what I will create.
1- I will use your API and Google's APIs.
2- I will lead it as a personal project and hire the needed people.
3- The solution will be available for anyone would like to buy it with minimum cost.
what I want from todoist.
1- confirm this feature will not be available soon (so I will not lose the invest :)
2- confirm todoist will not block my solution since I'm using a standard API.
I prefer to discuss it off-line, will try to reach you by email.
I've sent you an email so we can take this discussion offline.
Any further update on this? I have just given Todoist another try but don't think I will be staying with it unless I can get it to sync with Google calendar. It is just too limiting for me otherwise. Thanks
Same as Kyle
Unfortunately, we haven't heard any news from Google and are unsure if they're ever willing to address this issue, so we will consider looking into alternative solutions just for this calendar.
For now, as a workaround, you could try to use Zapier to sync with Google Calendar: https://todoist.com/blog/2014/03/todoist-is-now-on-zapier-connecting-tasks-to-over-280-apps/
Thanks David. I don't understand the issue being on Goggle's side as I have used (and still do) several competing in products that sync flawlessly. However I think they have all invested in syncing through the goggle app as they don't require any setup from the user other than entering the address and password for you Giggle account. I think To do is the oil dB be wise by on use that same approach and to also add direct syncing to Evernote.I have used Zapier before but for now I have chosen to use a small auto syncing app for the calendar and Taskclone for connecting To do is to Evernote. Those are not longterm solutions however due to the ongoing costs. The same goes for Zapier as those extra costs pushes the cost for Todoist past the premium price for other products having built-in integration.I still like the core functionality of Todoist and find more I like about it each time I use it. I just think that you need to continue with upgrading the product +as you have been) with things like the above.
I don't get it either how competing products can sync flawlessly with Google, but Todoist somehow cannot. If this is not a cop-out to blame Google, please explain why you can't sync with Google when competitors can.
If cost is an issue, why don't you make it a premium feature? There seems to be a lot of people who would upgrade (including me!)
I also would like to understand why the problem is on Google's side. I use Sunrise calendar, and it interacts flawlessly with Google Calendar--I can make a change on either platform and it immediately shows up in its counterpart.
I am, and will remain, a premium user, as ToDoist does more things the way that I want to do them than any other comparable. But the big hole is Calendar integration. It requires that I double a lot of effort. Please investigate how other programs--I mentioned Sunrise, but others have mentioned different programs--accomplish this.
Fully agree! Without the Google Sync its not really usable for me. Can the developers provide any idea about the time frame in which this can be solved??
Google Calender sync is really important for me as well. Google Tasks are noway near as good as Todoist but integration with Google Calendar is really important before we can roll this through our company.
+1 for Google Calendar sync :)
+1. and I'm lost as to how google is limitting todoist from achieving sync
I will add my +1. I see new apps like Timeful coming out that is very integrated with the calendar and makes me wonder whether I will renew. I am deeply ingrained using this app and the Todoist team is great at integrating new features. This feature seems to be pretty high up on the list of wanted features.
+1 I'll be dropping next month if we can't get this, and move on to something else.
+1 It is really necessary for me, too.
+3 for our users
+1, I left my decision to go with this product on google calender sync fix. Will wait for a month more. Hope it would be fixed by then.
Many people reported this more than a year ago and still there is no progress on this. really it's bad. Decided to move away from todoist. Just pass my wishes to your developers.
:) We need this feature, we REALLY need this feature :) I thought this was on Google's part, but since it isn't anymore, please do it? :)
I just started using Todoist and I think its amazing and I thought having premium allowed me to display my projects in my calendar. Good thing I am only using the 30 day trial period otherwise I was planning on buying the one year sub.
I'll let trial run out if they add this in the future, I'll consider subbing.
+1 Paid for the product this morning and it was the first thing i searched for in the documentation.
No reaction from the team for this long? This is no good omen.
The last answer is from 02.07. Is it really so hard to give a information / reply to this thread?
We're reading every reply in every thread and whenever we have any new information, we will post it right-away. Unfortunately, there's no info regarding this request so far, we will consider using Google's API to sync with their calendar in the future, for now we offer our iCal feed, though unfortunately Google will update it whenever they want to :-(
+1 Just downloaded the free trial and like the app.
Considering upgrading to premium already but then found this problem. Not sure if i can get involved with an app that won't update my calendar!
It's pretty clear there are lots of people wanting this, and even if they aren't, they have just accommodated to the idea of not having this feature, but really, we should have this... A list of tasks with calendar integration just makes sense... I'm going to try out the trial when school begins, and with this feature todoist would be the todo app to beat... :)
+1 GCal and IFTTT integration is whats stopping me going premium
I've actually moved to trying out GTasks on android and GoTasks on iPad, both integrate with Google's native tasks. Both support creating notes, due dates and recurring events with alert reminders. You can show multiple task lists at the same time, too.
You have to be comfortable with your mobile devices because that's where I have to enter any recurring event (as Google's native tasks won't do it). And you have to be willing to refresh your Google Calendar in your browser (on desktop) if you go from mobile device right to desktop to make sure everything is synced. So far so good, it's worked really well.
If Todoist figures out how to integrate, I'll move back.
roushdy.shawma: did you create your bridging solution? Or did anyone else? Would love to help test!
+1 I remember that year or two ago Todoist Team was to develop their own calendar module. But then for some reason it stopped to be a priority... I really like Todoist and get used to it. But I also need to integrate my tasks with electronic, cloud-based calendar (till now I was using paper calendar). Thus I really hope that Todoist Team will propose something (own module, or effective integration) very soon. Otherwise I will have to look for some other app...
+1, starting to regret renewing premium.
Is there a priority list for the todoist team? I'd say this one should get to the top easily... :)
I will buy the Premium account as soon as Todoist is integrated with Google Calendar.
Although I actually don't see the Google integration as critical (I use it extensively, but for private stuff, whereas I use todoist for business), it would avoid Todoist falling down the pecking order in terms of apps that do this kind of thing.
I'm coming to the end of a Premium trial and the lack of Google calendar integration is the only reason I won't be upgrading. Everything else is ahead of the competition and - calendar sync in place - I'd happily pay more than £18/year for a solution so good.
+1 - First thing I checked for - will just use a google tasks app if todoist doesn't implement this.
Has anyone found an alternative calendar that syncs with Todoist more frequently than Google Calendar? I'm willing to abandon Google Calendar if there's a calendar app (web or desktop) that syncs with Todoist.
Sunrise Calendar has launched realtime sync with todoist on IOS.
The staff featured some integration workarounds in this blogpost: https://todoist.com/blog/2014/07/6-awesome-apps-and-services-integrated-with-todoist/
I'm going to check them out now.
need this to work thanks
Sunrise Calendar looks promising, although Todoist integration doesn't work
on Android yet. It's still a nice app and will probably do the trick for me
most of the time...but it would still be good to have direct integration
with Google Calendar.
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I've been using GQueues, and paying them money, for several months now. The system isn't perfect - I like what I see in Todoist better - but I *live* by my Google calendar. I'm a coach with automated scheduling software, so I can't move away from Gcal, and since GQueues puts everything right there, I don't have to look away from my calendar to see my tasks. As with many others, if you fix this, I'm on board, but if not, I'm staying with GQueues.
will go premium if it syncs with Google calender & task
I've been a premium user for 2 years, and will discontinue if this is not resolved. I have a new job and it is crucial that the changes on todoist update to Gcal. If not fixed I will switch to Magneto. Thanks, please do anything you can to resolve.
Just seen "Magneto" and it is seriously early days but the google Calendar and Outlook Integration is looking good.
Methinks a suspiciously absent response from ToDoist on this thread.
Have been experimenting with TaskClone to join ToDoist, Calendar, and Evernote. Not perfect in any sense, but promising.
Lots of entries since I last wrote, so I'm gonna bump this...
As a premium user, I've found that I simply keep up with tasks better if I use Google Tasks in conjunction with Gmail and Google Calendar. So I've experimented and found this:
For Android, use GTasks (NOT GoTasks): https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.dayup.gtask&hl=en
For iPad/iPhone, use GoTasks: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/gotasks-google-tasks-client/id389113399?mt=8
I have Android phone, iPad mini, but use Google Calendar and Gmail on both platforms.These work great and sync with Google Tasks. They add the ability to add recurring tasks. So far it's worked out really well.
Would happily pay for premium. Can't sync w/ Google calendar. Sorry guys, you lost me.
I really love todoist, and it has been really helpful with my productivity. However, the lack of integration with other tools comparing to competitors have in fact been a barrier for me and our team to be more productive. This unfortunately is becoming a deal breaker. It's really a shame. I understand there must be difficulty for the team, and you might not be able to share this openly with the community. I hope you'll manage to figure out this issue in the future.
We can only wait for Sunrise Calendar integration... I'd say that will come sooner than Google Calendar integration...
I'm using Sunrise calender, my Google calender and Todoist together. The Todoist tasks with duedate and my google calender items show up in Sunrise. I can drag and drop tasks in Sunrise, and they sync with Todoist (due date changes).
It's working fine.
The thing I hope they'll add is the ability to cross off tasks from within Sunrise.
I don't actually get it. Aren't we able to export iCal feed from Todoist to calendars including Google Calendar and therefore sync tasks perfectly? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzGubOy8GuE) What's the functionality that people are claiming to be lacking?
The only problem I see is that Google Calendar only updates iCal subscription once per day... Therefore your changes can't get reflected instantly. If you really want to get an instant update, just use Sunrise Calendar as many have already said. It basically looks the same as Google Calendar but has better integrations and is less buggy
What's missing is the ability to drag tasks around, plan them at a specific time and with a specific duration. Tasks either take all day or a whole our and there is now way to adjust them using the Google Calendar web application or connected app like your iPhone calender.
Guys guys guys, check the sunrise calendar, it's new version has integration with todoist!!!! :D
Realizing sunrise calendar might be nice, but a lot of us are trying to stick with Google Calendar and Gmail at the core
"Realizing sunrise calendar might be nice, but a lot of us are trying to stick with Google Calendar and Gmail at the core"
Yep. Google is the market leader that many use and a telling us to change for Todoist(s) convience is not a good solution. Neither is Todoist constantly blaming Google for the problem. Google Calender is what it is and Todoist need to just get on with implimenting real-time 2 way sync... like others have.
As Peter T., from the todoist support, told me :
"Google's Calendar - a one-way sync from Todoist to Google is possible with our iCal feed. Please refer to this video to see how it works: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzGubOy8GuE " ;-)
Thanks for bringing that to our attention Rémi. We are discussing full- as in two-way sync here though ;)
I'm coming from Doit because of the lack of an export feature to find out you lack a proper Google Calendar integration.. :( That's too bad, because I really like Todoist so far, but it's essential for my workflow to see all tasks in my calendar in real time. Other products offer this feature, so it's "just" a matter of finding out the solution and implementing it. After 3 months you should at least have found a solution..
come on guys....
Another +1 from a free trial premium user. I would be much more likely to consider purchasing when the trial runs out if a two-way google calendar sync were implemented.
By the way, I can't seem to find directions in the docs to set up an ical feed either. Can anyone point it out?
Hey Carmel, I just gave a link to a video which explains how to set up an ical feed above
The ical feed is unworkable. The key line at the end of the video is that your events will be updated "the next time your calendar checks its feed." With Google, there's no telling when that will be. They say once ever 24 hours, but it's unpredictable. I tried to use it, and found it useless.
As for Sunrise, I use that. Unfortunately, unless something changed in the past day or two with no announcement, that only works on iOS. If and when the Android version can sync with Sunrise, I'll be all over it, and will have no reason to complain about this... other than the fact that ToDoist still doesn't seem to get the point that ical is an unacceptable solution--and an out-of-date one. After all, there's a list of programs in this thread that have implemented two-way sync with Google Calendar (including Sunrise...)
GK, I found that the Android version actually does work with Todoist. You
just have to set it up from the web version first :)
I really like Sunrise, for what it's worth.
I've been playing with the idea of creating a third-party service for 2-way
sync between Todoist and Google Calendar and charging money for it (not
much, obviously). I'm on the fence about it because obviously the revenue
would dry up as soon as Todoist implemented it. But maybe it'd be enough
and take them long enough to make it worth it before that day came?
If you think so, here is a mailing list I am using to gauge interest:
I will check it out tomorrow
A SOLUTION IS COMING...
On a new thread I asked Todoist if they were going to fix the Google Sync problem. They are it seems. For specifics see the echange/thread here:
KK, Thank you for pointing out that it works with Sunrise in Android now. I will continue to support ToDoist integration with Google Calendar, but since I use Sunrise I'm satisfied. There are a few functions that work in GCal that don't quite translate to Sunrise, but it's perfect for me needs.
And B, I read that thread and was actually confused as to whether they were still looking at the iCal solution or not. The last sentence of his response made it sound like they're still locked in that insufficient paradigm. I hope not... But as for the other part of the conversation: I agree that one-way sync (i.e., changes in ToDoist showing up immediately in the Calendar) would be enough for most. I would believe that making it two-way would be a nightmare. I hope that someday even two-way sync would be implemented (for example, dragging a task from one day to another in the calendar and having it sync immediately to ToDoist), but I can see how that would be a major project.
And just for the record: I've tried many of the solutions out there, and even without the sync to GCal, ToDoist makes the most sense for me, with my workflow etc. I've been a premium user for awhile now, and never considered leaving. But the sync with Sunrise has made it even better than it was.
Shame, I also really liked Todoist but if customers (premium user) are being ignored this long, it doesn't fill me full of confidence. At the beginning of this thread someone actually offered to write an app for TDist and they obviously haven't bothered to take him up on it.
there is only one way you can make a company react to that issue.
one star ratings all over the playstore from every one.
nobody will bother with this program if it has an 3,0 in average
Well, unless they advertise "native Google Calendar integration" or
something, I'm not going to go as far as giving them a shill rating.
Ultimately I want MORE people to use the app so it gets more
attention/development, good for me as a consumer.
+1... I love the app, but it's useless for me without this feature
New premium user, and first thing I looked up
+1 Thanks for working to integrate with Google Calendar. I'm looking forward to this feature!
+1 would only consider premium if this feature is in.
+1 - in other case there is no point to have premium acc
As there is no Votebox, then here is my support for this bug-fix. Yes, I name it a bug, if there is a working solution out there and it is not applied (yes, I mean Google API).
Please, pretty please, start using Google API :)
+1 integrate it already
I thought this is native for Premium users. I'm mystaken. I Hope for this feature coming soon.
+1 [millionnnnnnnnnnnnnn]! Seriously though...
+1 for GCal sync
+1 to a full sync with Google Calendar
We would like some sort of update on this... It's without a doubt the most requested feature for android, so why is the team ignoring this? Please reply, just gives us some feedback...
What is the update please?
Wake up TODOIST! The competition is beating you to it.
(and for some of us it's time to renew their premium status ;))
Improvements are on the way
Calendar integration has been the one of the most requested features, so we wanted to let you get your hands on it as soon as possible. In this first version, the integration itself is fairly simple and currently only syncs one way (from Wunderlist to your calendar). But the good news is, we're continuing to work on making this feature better for you, ...
+1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1
Another month is gone...
At this point, I'd say that the lack of response (read: "We have heard you and it is on our roadmap" or at least something to that effect) should indicate the bottom line from Todoist support. Time to move on.
I will say once more for those who are new to the thread (and then bid you all adieu), I now use GTasks on Android and GoTasks on iPad Mini, and they sync with Google Tasks. It's worked great, although you have to set up your recurring tasks on the apps, and I check them off on my phone just in case. Great widget for Android phone, and really quick entering of tasks, very intuitive (I use GTasks 90% of the time because it's on my phone).
And in doing all of that, I've found myself not using tasks on my calendar anymore, I just use my phone (at my desk or on the go). So in a way, I have Todoist's lack of progress on this issue to thank, because I've actually come up with a more nimble, streamlined approach to tasking. YMMV, and greatly.
That's all, folks! ;-)
God, more than a year and no "REAL" feedback on this.
Guess I´ll have to give Doit.Im (with a perfect sync) a chance.
+1 Full synchronization with Google Calendar is very important for me
As opposed to other frequently requested features, they stated that this will be implemented in the near future (http://todoist.com/Support/show/43938/)
I came from Doit, and I didn't appreciate their real time GCal sync until I realized that Todoist sync is almost unusable. However, many other features beat Doit. Purposely withholding a way to export/backup my data is what caused me to leave.
First no mac mail integration and now this....why would I pay for "premium"??????
What service/app are you using now?
I've tried many task managers, and I realized that my search will never be over, if I insist on having an app that does everything I want. For that, I'd need to write it myself :D
For now I'm planning to stay at Todoist. There are some major features I miss (deferring taks and sequential tasks), but overall it's better than anything I've used so far. GCal sync is already planned, but right now I'm working on my own solution.
+1 for full sync with GC
I still don't get why a fully/instantaneous integration with Google Calendar is not yet a feature of Todoist. This is frustrating :(
I´m exactly in the same situation as you.
Thanks for your feedback :)
@Darek Kay — Yeah, I've been using the API to patch holes too (e.g. https://github.com/wizonesolutions/todoist-sorter). Sunrise Calendar is somewhat useful too. Calendar sync isn't critical for me because I only put dates on stuff that *must* be done by or on a certain day, GTD-style. Then I just review tasks often.
If you make this feature available, I will get premium with you. It's the only thing I'm missing from this great software!
+1 This would be a real gamechanger.
+1 sorry but without this features your app doesn't worth the money
+10 (I'll tell at least 9 people if it happens)
luckily I found out through this thread there is a working Sunrise integration, otherwise you would have lost me within the our after signing up for premium membership.
It looks like this request has been ignored systematically by Todoist people. It's been over a year and no word about it :( I'm quitting Todoist for good now!
Thanks God I found this thread prior going premium. This tool is just not worth the money.
Rate Todoist one star at playstore.
I don't know if I'd rate them a one star because they can't sync with Google tasks. No offense, Fernando, but I think it's a REALLY good task program (and I've used Wunderlist, Doist, Evernote and others). For me, though, as I've learned to be more proactive in setting tasks and calendar entries to keep from drowning in work and overextending, I've found that having tasks on my Google calendar are beneficial. So while I'm disappointed Todoist hasn't integrated with Google tasks in a useful way (IMO) and I have moved on, I still think it's a very well built app.
So I'd give 'em a 4/5, but that one mark off is a BIG one. Or maybe a 3/5 (1 off for support) since they haven't really made any very confident statements one way or another in this extremely long thread. ;-)
Can't you see what they are doing?
One star is not for what the tool does, it is for the misleading advertising. They lead people into believing it integrates with tasks and calendar when instead they intentionally use their own database to store all the data.
The apps are just to advertise their product on top of Google's popularity.
They don't use Google's API because they don't want to. They are competing with Google tasks and calendar not complementing it.
Got it now?
They stated at no point to integrate with Google Tasks, did they? They do integrate with Google Calendar, but just like Wunderlist and some other todo mangers, they undererstimated the 24h sync problem on Google's side. They already announced to fix this and provide a real solution - this was mentioned here multiple times. You can use Todoist for free and try premium for 1 month - so if this is a deal breaker for anyone, you can just move on to another app.
This answer is pretty clear:
"We are going to address this issue, it's on our developer's to-do list. I can't tell you what priority it is as often we shuffle between implementing different features and something else may need urgent attention, but it's definitely a matter of when not if. We hope that this year it will be finally addressed. "
As opposed to all the other "we are not planning this feature yet" threads, this is a clear statement.
Where did they mis-advertise that they integrate with Google Calendar? They
*do* integrate, it's just that Google Calendar's iCal support sucks. Now,
if they had advertised integrating with Google's APIs, that'd be another
story, and they'd deserve their one star. This problem usually doesn't
bother me too much (Sunrise Calendar does a pretty good job). Todoist is
*everywhere*, and even if I move onto another app, I will probably still
put my tasks into Todoist and use something like Zapier to forward them to
the other app. I've never been able to empty my head as quickly as with
Todoist (I can add tasks from my Android notification bar even if I'm in
bed, in the car, or on the couch). Honestly, there are other things they
are lacking (*COUGH*bulk processing*COUGH*) that annoy me more than this.
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Again, I'm not discussing about the quality of the product. But what adds suggest implicitly. Just read previous comments to see people expectations. They obviously didn't bother reading between the lines. If you know what I mean.
Why exactly do you stick to this conversation? Go trolling somewhere else. People expect so many things (starting dates is a great example), but no other user shows such a childish beheviour to rate the Android app 1 star, because their expectations were not met. Don't try to argue with "fake advertisement", because it's simply false. It's like saying "integration with IFTTT is fake advertisement, because I cannot create recipes for edited/updated tasks".
Google Cal integration is very important. Please do look into that. Right now I'm using Sunrise as it offers swift integration with Todoist and Trello. The only downside to Sunrise is that I can't use my own color tagging system.
I agree. Not worth the premium cost without this critical feature.
The last answer of the staff was August 28!
Why isn't there yet a solution?
Without the Google Sync the Todoist is not really usable for many people. Can the developers provide any idea about the time frame in which this can be solved??
+1 More communication would put a lot of people at ease even if this feature is not ready.
Guys, any news on Google calendar? I`ve tested any.do. It works perfectly with Google calendar. My premium account will end at March 2015. I'll have to migrate to any.do if there is no solution till this time.
There's really no point as of right now in getting frustrated by this... If you need the integration that much look elsewhere...
I've contacted the support and this was what I was told:
We hear you and other users who are requesting for it and we're working on improving the Google Calendar integration that we have currently (at the very least, making it sync in realtime) but there's no ETA as when that might be available yet.
some people can force a refresh google calendar with this way but me. maybe someone can adjust to todoist url iCalendar feed.
or you can use zapier.com to sync real time but the price is so expensive for me. And just sync one way with 5-15 minutes sync.
Hey, my opinion, they will not do that, beacause it's the premium feature.
i know severall app where google calendar intergrated successfully.
I doubt they're mean or greedy. Anyone who has developed an app knows that
you can't do everything you want at once. Maybe other tasks are more
important to their current vision. Only the people who want something will
actually post about it, thinking they represent the majority, but maybe we
are just the minority. Maybe they have done internal testing showing that
this isn't a big priority for the majority of customers. Ultimately, if
someone wants this functionality now, they have to use Sunrise or switch to
something with API-driven GCal integration. Or otherwise just wait for
Honestly, I think it's because of the same vocal customers that companies
nowadays are reluctant to give timeframes. Because when reality hits and
things take longer, they get even more complaints than if they are
16. nov. 2014 17:49 skrev "Todoist Support" <
+1 and posting it in the app review on the AppStore. If I'd known you couldn't synch, I would have passed it by though I love everything else about it.
+10000 !!! (+1)
I have loved ToDoist, but I need this integration and will most likely be dropping my Premium feature shortly.
i will also drop my upgrade without full Sync with Google Calendar
+1 it is really need :-(
Just signed up to try this out, and have a free trial. I've been using Gqueues and, despite liking Todoist's interface/aesthetic better, and appreciating the ifttt integration, I'm afraid that I'm going to stick with Gqueues for the foreseeable future, since it does integrate with Gcal.
Syncing with Google Calendar is a Premium feature, and it works for me! Each task shows up as an all-day event on the date it is due. Can't check them off from there, but it's good enough
I want to be a premium member, but having know that it won't do full sync with Google Calendar, I think I have to find a new todo list company.... sigh.....
I'm trying our GQueues, it sounds better as I was under the impression ToDoist syncs with G Calendar when I paid for premium, so will be requesting a full re-fund!
Are we there yet?!
An update on indicative timescales would be great.
Still (heart) ing Todoist though!
+1 Two way sync.
Sunrise works for me.
+1 two way real time sync
@dan.baril what's Sunrise?
If you read a number of posts in this thread a number of them suggested that Sunrise Calendar is a good interim solution until Todoist is able to sync directly with iCal/Google Cal. My comment above was only that I have tried (and am currently using) Sunrise Calendar and so far it serves very well as the go-between Todoist and iCal/Google Cal.
Sunrise flawlessly syncs my tasks from Todoist and my appointments from Google Cal. It also allows me to edit existing tasks right within Sunrise which syncs back to Todoist. The only limitation I have found so far is that you can't create new tasks in Sunrise. You can only edit existing tasks originally created in Todoist.
Like I said, it's a workaround for now.
Thanks for the reply Dan. I did not obviously read the whole thread =]
Would really like to hear the Todoist team comment on the roadmap for this. Considering buying Premium for my wife and I for Christmas, but the lack of first-class integration is a pretty big negative ding against the offering.
It is for me too. But I have just migrated from Appigo TODO which offers no calendar integration whatsoever. Over at Appigo TODO we have been waiting for over a year hearing that calendar integration was on the proverbial todo list. After a year waiting, I got fed up and just recently came to TODOIST which at least offers the Sunrise interim solution.
I too would love to hear directly from the Todoist team as ultimately I would prefer a direct no middle-man solution. But in the meantime I feel like I have already gotten my Christmas present with the improved functionality I am getting compared to Appigo Todo, which if not for the lack of calendar integration is a great todo task app.
+1 , but i will try Sunrise Calendar
at the very least I would appreciate a detailed technical explanation as to why other applications seem to be able to implement this feature and todoist can't.
+1 Continually frustrated by this limitation. Keeps me from relying upon Todoist for integrated task management, and after a year, this is a must.
Someone said Zapier can supply this but the cost is prohibitive? Please advise. Thanks you guys for all your hard work.
Oh I agree. Why is it soooo many other apps can fully integrate but ToDoist Can't.
GQueues calendar integration is phenomenal. We use it and keep checking back at todoist. Comments on ToDoist is better in my opinion, than GQ. But until TD can get this Google Cal thing fixed we won't renew.
So sad. I've had Todist premium but somehow had forgotten why I wasn't using it. Now I remember. Nope wouldn't renew this makes zero sense that it wouldn't sync.
See Jun 30, 2014 - 22:20 UTC and Jul 02, 2014 - 07:12 UTC
Apparently this looks like a fine proposal from roushdy shawwa.
Why don't we hear something about this proposal?
I will not pay for my organization unless it allow live Sync. the STAFF don’t care about our requirements... It is time to look for a better app.
I've been waiting for Todoist real time sync with Google calendar and am puzzled as to why they don't have this done yet. Obviously a lower priority for Todoist. While that is disappointing I like Todoist and will renew another year to see if they are really going to correct this. I do most of my Todoist work on my phone so in the mean time I am using ICSSync. This let's me view my tasks in the calendar of my choice and I have it set up so selecting a task in the calendar will open Todoist. The sync time is adjustable or can be done manually. Sunrise calendar lacked some features I use but the ICSSync work around gets me by...
+1 full sync with Google Calendar (like DOIT.im)
+1... This should be a core feature in Todoist.
This thread is over 6 months old and obviously a lot of people want the integration. Why isn't anything happening? Most other services manage to integrate seamlessly (e.g. www.iqtell.com).
I've now stopped using it!
+1, again and again...
I would really like to know what is so important that is leaving this feature to the side...
@andremartins, the bigger ask is not "what is so important that is leaving this issue to the side" but rather how can a app developer go this amount of time and this many forum posts on the issue and not at least acknowledge the issue and request. They appear to have had the time to post a Happy New Year message on their Facebook page, but not the time to respond to this forum. Perhaps the only leverage we can apply is to post a comment on their Facebook page as I hate to do, but just did!
Yawn. After so much feedback from your users there has yet to be an official update from the staff in over 4 months. This thread has over 250 replies, so it's obviously a wanted feature.
Get your dev and customer happiness team on the same page, this is pretty sad!
+1 please update on the timeline for this critical feature
I'd like to believe Todoist developers that it's "Google's" fault. But it's not.
I am actively using IQTELL now which integrates Email, tasks, projects and Evernote seamlessly AND in REAL TIME.
I can schedule a task with a due date in IQTELL and within seconds it appears on my Google Calendar on ALL my devices.
I spent a good two months researching an integrated solution between Mail, Task Manager, Calendar and Evernote. I looked at all the major solutions: Todoist, Toodledo, Things, Zendone, Nirvana, Omnifocus 2 and other lesser solutions. NONE would integrate seamlessly with the other solutions, except IQTELL
Todoist DOES come close, but their lack of real-time calendar integration and review makes it very limiting when you have to begin to assign due dates to things. They have a nice Gmail plugin, and that works quite nicely. But they need a third-party program such as Zapier or Task Clone to integrate with Evernote so that ups the monthly cost (you're paying for Todoist AND TC for instance). With IQTELL you get everything tied together for about the price of a Carmel Macchiato per month.
You could always use ifttt.com (free). IQTELL has the right idea but is too complicated. And their data modell is strange (inbox item <> action item, waiting for item, etc.).
@Korky Kathman - Don't get me wrong, I am just as frustrated as you and everyone else with the fact TODOIST does not sync directly with iCal/Google Cal. But as I have referenced a few times in this forum, Sunrise Calendar doesa fine job acting as the go between TODOIST and iCal/Google Cal. I am wondering how it is that in your two months of research into all the other apps you reference that you did not research Sunrise Calendar. I further agree with @Andreas Mose that IQTELL is complicated and the user interface is clumsy. But for the record, I too would MUCH prefer a native solution within TODOIST.
I'm having trouble with the various workarounds to connect Todoist with a calendar: with everything (IFTTT, Zapier, Sunrise) I try, if I enter a task in Todoist, I'll get a calendar event starting at the moment I created the task. This includes tasks with particular start times (i.e., "meeting" with a due date of "tomorrow at 9:00am"). I can't figure out how to put an appointment in Todoist and get a calendar entry at the time of the appointment, as opposed to an entry at the time I put the task in. Others describe success with (for example) Todoist/Sunrise integration, so I must be missing something - has anyone had and solved a similar problem?
@Kate Walling - You are correct if today I ad a task in TODOIST with a future due date, that task immediately shows-up in Sunrise Calendar on the scheduled due date. See attached screen-shot examples.
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@Dan Baril - Thanks for the confirmation that I'm experiencing something unintended - that's good to know.
If you want 2-way sync with Google calendar, you should look at Nozbe (http://nozbe.com/). It's clunkier (especially the search function) and takes a bit of time to learn, but you get many of the same functions (just use categories as labels/tags for your tasks) on almost every platform. Plus, they have a better calendar view within the app.
My hope is that Todosit gets 2-way sync before my free trial ends with Nozbe. I'd certainly take Todoist premium over Nozbe.
I wouldn't trust much of what Todoist say on this.
Back in September David Trey said:
"We are going to address this issue, it's on our developer's to-do list. ...We hope that this year it will be finally addressed."
Today in a response on another thread David Trey says:
"We will consider adding a two-way-sync integration in the future..."
As something to be done Google Calendar integration been demoted from happening (and hopefully soon) to only being considered.
Todoist currently seem besotted by design, karma points and watches rather then real functional extensions that people keep asking for.
There's a way to sync your tasks using IFTTT but it's far from perfect.
I would really appreciate the possibility to sync directly to Google Calendar!
and @BruceMarriott *sigh* I agree with you.
DON'T USE TODOIST, IT SIMPLY DOESN'T WORK!
Hey people don't hold your breath! We were led to believe that TD WILL sync with gmail calendar/s so we paid for Premium, but then when we tried it it transpired that it does NOT do what they said it did to get the sale, we then requested a refund which was refused so they happily took our money under false pretenses/claims!
Other companies have solutions that actually work with two-way 100% synchronization, GQueues to mention just one. I would demand a refund as the product does not do what they advertise, I know it's now very much but it's the principle & just look at how long they've been lying to their customers, first they say it's in the pipeline which it's obviously not (look at how long they've been saying this) and secondly they keep blaming Gmail, strange how MANY other businesses CAN and do offer 100% two-way sync without spending even more & having to use 3rd party apps!
DON'T USE TODOIST, IT SIMPLY DOESN'T WORK!
I have a fairly comprehensive survey of tools that claim (and sometimes succeed in) two-way sync with google calendar at http://softwarerecs.stackexchange.com/questions/2883/task-manager-with-two-way-google-calendar-sync/4232#4232
Great review. Just tried both on the top of the list. The first disappointment - when you select a due date, there is no calendar view.
Yeah, GQueues is far from perfect, it's just the best I've found. I'm trying to like DropTask occasionally (I signed up for two years), but it doesn't stick so far.
Emiliano, what do you DISlike in DropTask? It seems very convinient with the tasks "bubbles".
This is what my task list looks like (straight screenshot, not resized) in DropTask: http://i.imgur.com/SFDOQ30.png. It's great for privacy (after all, no one can read your task list) but not so great for oversight (after all, *no* one can read your task list).
DropTask is probably fantastic if you're very visual *and* you don't have much of a task list. I am visual, and for that reason, droptask is wholly unusable to me. The bouncy shapes are great if you're looking for a time-waster, but I don't keep task lists as time wasters, but as time-savers.
The gimmicky bouncy balls aside, it's a gargantuan waste of screen real estate to enclose boxy sentences in round shapes, and the "white" space between them is not used to create oversight. A design 101 book like "the non-designers design book" points out how they pretty much hit every "don't do this" squarely on the head.
Droptask prioritizes the visuals above usability. I'd love to love droptask, as I think its gcal integration is slightly cleaner than that of gqueues, but not so much better that its limited usuability is compensated for. Not by a long shot.
Add to that that the Android (my platform of choice) support is subpar (the client is pretty but sloooooow), and it is simply not more than a playtoy to me. Every now and then the dull interface from gcal moves me to try to make droptask work, as it's certainly more visually appealing; usually I try after DT announces updates to their products. That try usually lasts a day, tops.
Oh and it doesn't help that they don't have any import facilities either. GQueues import is lousy, but at least it's there. What I wouldn't give for Toodledo to get proper gcal sync.
Why doesn't someone from todoist reply to this thread??
We tend to only reply if we can add new information to the conversation. We have also stated before that we do read all replies.
Not sure what everyone is upset about as the Google Calendar integration works like a charm for Premium subscribers.
Here's a short video how to do it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzGubOy8GuE
And it worked with my Google Apps Calendar with ease.
Thanks.. but this allows you to post your todist list into a Google calendar . I would like to send calendar entries to my todist.. i.e. the other way round.
I can do this with my emails.
I just created an automation in Zapier to accomplish this and it worked like a charm.
Here's a link to the Zap if you want to try it out: http://zpr.io/7Btj
@Joshua you don't understand the question. What you mention has two major limitations:
1. It isn't instantaneous. Google Calendar refreshes webcal links only every few hours
2. It's one-way, read-only.
GQueues and Droptask have two-way, instantaneous sync. If I modify a deadline on a task in either, it shows up in my calendar immediately, and if I change the task in gcal, that change is reflected back in GQueues/Droptask. If you're happy to live with those limitations, good for you, but that video doesn't show "full sync", it shows representation of tasks in your calendar, nothing else.
The update is generaly only once a day - so after you have juggled dates or added things with dates to Todoist you are unlikely to see them reflected on you Google Calendar for some time.
Back last Autumn (2014) Todist said they wre looking to fix this to realtime sync (the one way). They also mentioned they hopped to do in 2014. Nothing more has been said and Todoist general hide behind coments as just made by Brendon Wadey, which say nothing helpful. Todist seem to be besoted with Watches, mucking about with the design and Karma points functionality. Not good for many of us.
Above and beyond one-way sync is what Nigel effectivly mentioned - two way sunc. it would also enable you to visually juggle dates for existing tasks and have it all reflected back on todoist.
Duh posted at same time - Nice one @Emiliano Heyns - far better put.
@Joshua: that still doesn't accomplish sync. It is still one-way, and only acts when you create an event/task, not when you modify it.
And the purported limitation put up by Google as mentioned by staffer @Clyde Romo didn't prevent from DropTask and GQueues implementing it.
Sorry to come across as though I didn't understand the question. I was just trying to work out a solution that was good enough until TD got it working.
After the recent comments, it sounds like you just want TD to admit they can't or won't do this feature, and not shirk it with half assed responses.
I'm not trying to pick a fight, just trying to understand the psychology behind it as we have a new app out and this is a great example to learn from to not turn users into adversaries.
"Sorry to come across as though I didn't understand the question. I was just trying to work out a solution that was good enough until TD got it working."
If looking for a workaround some would say Sunrise Calendar does what's needed - 2 way sync and its works with Google Calendar. But introducing another app around the place is a pain - to some of us. I looked at using Sunrise and now don't.
"After the recent comments, it sounds like you just want TD to admit they can't or won't do this feature, and not shirk it with half assed responses."
I don't think any of the tens and tens of people who have requested the functionality (both in this thread and in many others) want that at all. What people want is for Todoist to be clear that they are going to do two way sync or at least one way - both real time. And for them to say they are committed to it in a reasonable timeframe. "We hear" should be their message.
"I'm not trying to pick a fight, just trying to understand the psychology behind it as we have a new app out and this is a great example to learn from to not turn users into adversaries."
The physiology is simple - many, many, want this update. I can't think of another that is more requested. But Todoist don't seem to just get on with it. Instead they pour resources into watches, into redesigns of what is already a great looking mobile app. And then there is all the stuff around Karma points, which to me does not seem vital or core functionality enhancement. It would be nice to see Todoist stop all that 'surface' stuff for a few months and concentrate on solid functional enhancement of the product.
@Joshua, fair enough. I simply got irked because I (I assume now wrongly) interpreted your input as apologist for Todoist.
As much as I'd like them to just build this already, yes, an honest and open "not gonna happen folks", "if you need this, look elsewhere" or "don't expect this before 2016" would be *much* preferable to "Google prevents us from doing this" (which is provably false) or "we'll let you know if and when we'll consider it" (which doesn't give us any other information except that staffers occasionally hang out here).
What I really want is for Todoist to take their users seriously, and at the very least give us actionable information.
The real fact IS that Todoist developers can't or wont do it. Nothing is imposed by Google. There are WAY too many other apps that allow this real-time sync.
I don't like companies misleading the public. I was in pre-sales for a software company for almost 30 years, so sure, I know what and how to say things. It's VERY easy to blame the other guy. But in this case, the are just getting caught in a lie.
Like BruceMarriott - I would rather Todoist come out and say "No we're not doing that and do not have plans to do this any time soon. But this dancing around the issue of saying it's Google's fault is deliberating stating an inaccuracy. IQTELL does real-time integration. Sunrise Calender does real-time integration...my goodness there are dozens that do, so PLEASE quit telling us it's Google's fault.
Say you'll either do it, and commit to it, or be honest with your customers and say you arent.
Hello, I was considering Todoist premium for my organization (12 people) until I came across this thread.
Todoist: Can you state exactly what the issue with google is?
Guys. Just use Sunrise Calendar. It supports both Google Calendar and Todoist, so you'll have both in one calendar app... and it's free.
The sunrise calendar doesn't support printing, so it actually doesn't suit my needs... really need Google sync.
What I'm saying...integrate to Sunrise and then let IT sync to Google Calendar. Either way, though, you have to wait 24 hours for the update (according to the way that Todoist syncs with Google). They have said it's Googles fault, yet I know multiple apps that integrate to Google Calendar seamlessly in real time;
Personally, tying a calendar to a todo list is not a productive, efficient way of doing things anyway, and I don't do it. I keep appointments and things with dates/times in my calendar (Fantastical/iCal) and my todo's (rarely have due dates) in Todoist. That's very efficient and I never miss a thing.
Just as an aside, Omnifocus is really good about this, in that it imports data real time from your calendar and you can opt to see it or not. But, anything created in OF only shows up in external calendars on or a set time before it's due.
Think about separating your Calendar from you Task Manager and you might find yourself with more freedom than you think!
@Korky: good for you that you can recast this deficiency as a bonus, but those of use who a) want this and b) know what we are doing (I am using it to great effect with GQueues -- perhaps you should try it before casting judgement) have no use for your newspeak.
@Alan Sunrise shows the tasks alright, but I don't see any way to sync them *into* my calendar, and since sunrise isn't ready to replace my android calendar app (it doesn't allow me to move appointments between calendar providers) that means I don't see these on my mobile. Even if sunrise would sync into my calendar, it's a little goofy to have to use a desktop app to sync two cloud-hosted systems.
GQueues does it, Droptask does it, so the claim that "google doesn't let anyone do this" is demonstrably false. If a todoist staffer would just go ahead and say "not worth our time", that would be something.
@ Emiliano - If you thought I was casting judgment I apologize. As for newspeak, if you read productivity journals as I do the separation of calendar and todo manager is rather a compelling argument. (For instance check out Asian Efficiency for one.)
As for judging, when you have a backhanded slap in your post, you might find that your hypocrisy is rather laughable.
Everyone is entitled to use the system as they wish. If it simply does not fit your way of doing things, then you have two choices: one is to adapt, two is to move on and quit bothering everyone like a troll.
@Korky, the backhanded slap was irony. I have been told before I should use it sparingly.
With regards to trolling, look up the title to this thread at the top, and then go see whether the shoe fits. People are here specifically to talk about this feature, not to be lectured about the bliss of its absence.
If Todoist doesn't want to coordinate with Google Calendar or any other calendar, why not make their own. Obviously, people want a calendar.
If Todoist doesn't believe in doing things with a calendar, then state a reason why.
Real-time sync with Google Calendar is a must-have.
Real time sync +1 (it would definitely make my decision to go premium easier, it's not the cost that is preventing me, it's the fact that once I subscribe I'm fully committed to the ecosystem - it's a great suite of tools, but a couple of niggling things like this are not helping the decision!)
+ 1 nothing yet?
Google syncs iCal feeds only once every 24h a day - that's a fact, and Todoist cannot do anything about it. It is however possible to link an app to their service to provide a real-time sync, without the use of iCal. That's what Todoist promised to work on. No "false statements" were made.
What you say is partially true, but might need a small bit of clarification.
Todoist does sync to iCal (i.e. Todoist->iCal) on whatever frequency that you set it to in iCal (for me it's every 5 minutes). Now, I don't think that it syncs the other way (i.e. iCal->Todoist) however, but once every 24 hours. (I have verified this).
Google apparently has two methods for synching. Their standard API does sync about once a day (most ToDo programs do this by the way). But there are a fewToDo programs that DO sync with Google Calendar on a real time basis. I can see where this would be favorable to some. For me, it's more important for me to see things from the calendar show up on Todoist than the other way around. Things for instance, shows Google Calendar events in their program, but only on a 24 hour basis. The only Task Manager I know that offers real-type sync with both iCal and Google Calendar is IQTELL. I don't know what they do, but it's real-sync both ways.
@Darek please point me to where I said they made false statements. AFAICT, the only false statement here is the implication I said that. I said Todoist doesn't provide *useful* information. That is a very different claim, by which I stand.
I know google syncs ical infrequently. Even if it was instant, this would still not in any way whatsoever address the request for *bidirectional* sync, so I really don't see what bringing the google ical sync frequency (back) into the debate is supposed to accomplish.
@Korky I will have to look into IQTell again, but last time I checked, it synced google calendar to its internal calendar, and tasks to google tasks, not IQTell tasks with a deadline to google calendar. But I'll re-investigate, I could be wrong.
Why would I want to sync two task managers together? i.e. IQTELL tasks and Google Tasks?
I've been a user of the product for a while and I can assure you that if you put a task in IQTELL with a due date, it will nearly immediately show up on iCal (and Google, too). I can also vouch for the fact that I can put a date on iCal or Fantastical (on my iPhone) and it syncs back to the calendar. Now I'll be honest, I quit using Gcal for personal reasons but I sure thought it updated everything.
If you sync to Google Calendar, btw, and you use Sunrise Calendar, Gcal will push those events to Sunrise with no problem based on my experience.
I gave up on Gcal mainly because it was one more level of management I really didn't want. And I'm a Mac/iPhone user and my family is too, so we share a lot of events on iCal.
As mentioned a few times in this thread, for me Sunrise continues to be an elegant interim solution that does 95% of what I need until TODOIST or another comparable app does the job fully and natively.
I do wish, however, this forum focused on achieving more success in convincing TODOIST to develop the solution, as opposed to hair-splitting back-and-forths between a handful of members in an attempt to demonstrate which of you knows the most or is best at further dissecting a problem that does not, at this stage, require further definition.
To that end, may I respectfully request of the TODOIST developers who surely are monitoring this forum, a status update with regard to full, native, realtime, and two-way task and calendar synchronization with ICal?
Unfortunately, we don't have any updates about it yet, but we'll surely look into it soon :-)
Thank you David. Very much appreciate the prompt response. Look forward to the next update.
@Korky I didn't understand the purpose of task-to-task sync myself either, but that's what I saw happening. I'll give it another go.
@Korky, @Dan, I tried sunrise, and it's pretty good, but it has no exchange support, which is a must-have for me. I use eM Client myself, which I highly recommend for mail and calendaring, but not for tasks.
And gotcha on using iCloud, when you're in the Apple ecosystem that makes more sense, much as using gcal makes more sense (to me at least) when you're in the google ecosystem. I am pushing for gcal integration because that's what I happen to use, but would likewise push for iCloud integration if I were to use that.
@David, I appreciate you chiming in, but what you've just said is that you don't even know when (or if, really) Todoist might even look at the issue, much less actually expend effort towards making it happen. I appreciate that Todoist might have other priorities, but as to this specific problem, you stated it was on the dev's to-do list 9 months ago. What, if I may be so curious, is the difference between it surely being looked into soon, and it being on the to-do list?
We usually prefer not to commit to specific long-term plans so after each implementation of a feature, we decide what to add next. That said, unfortunately, we can't give you any estimate when this particular feature will be added.
@Korky, how did you manage to set this up in IQTell? I have a premium account, and what I have been able to set up is IQTell Calendar -> Google Calendar, but not even bi-directionally (events I delete in the synced calendar in the GCal side are not deleted on the IQTell side), and any tasks I assign a due date under Actions don't show up in GCal at all.
@David, I appreciate the honest answer. That said, it seems to conflict with "surely soon now" which was said earlier today.
If we're sure we'll look into a feature soon, it still doesn't let us give you any estimate for a release date. I can assure you that we will look into this, but any date or estimate I would mention would be not true as we don't know when any feature will be added until it's almost done and a few days before release.
If you are asking how I did this in IQTELL, I have a premium account, too. I abandoned using Gcal myself, a while back, but I just went through it again to help you.
Go to the Calendar tab, then click on the settings in the left sidebar of the calendar. Then click on the the Setup a New Calendar option at the top. then chose the GOOGLE logo. It will prompt you for permission to access your google account. Once you grant access, you will be prompted to choose which calendars you want to include from my Google account. Check the ones you want to inlcude and then save. As soon as you save go back to the Calendar and the Gcal events will be there.
I just was able to add an event and delete an event in Gcal and both worked in IQTELL.
That all said, we probably shouldn't put IQTELL procedures in a Todoist Forum :)
Being in software development for 30 years, I'm a sympathetic to your plight. However, Most solid software organizations can usually disclose a roadmap. That doesn't necessary say when it will be released, but what it does do, is give folks a reasonable comfort level that your organization has evaluated the requests from the community, and have slotted it for certain places along the roadmap.
Roadmaps usually have a target availability and the set of functionality that currently is slated to be included with a target date for implementation. Where I worked, we would typically release software patches for bugs, and versions for new functionality. We could say that our "next" release was, say, Fall of 2015. We would then publish our best guess as to what new features would be included in that version release. Then we'd publish, say, Spring of 2016 and say what we thought was going in the product then. There was three months we could release and make our target, and, as you say, sometimes a feature made it and other times it slid into Spring. This was always good for us because it kept the community happy as to what was coming up, and it put a little more intrinsic weight on the development org to make that happen (Of course the development org had agreed to the roadmap anyway!)
Simply saying that you can't put a time or date on a feature, isn't good customer service. It tends to make us believe that you have no idea what to do with your product and perhaps have no intention of doing anything new. Now, I doubt that's true, but there's no harm in sharing the roadmap.
@Korky, those steps don't work for me, but I'll take that up with IQTell support. How did you set up IQTell Actions -> Google Calendar sync?
With regards to roadmaps: spot on.
Emiliano, go ahead and contact me directly at my email here:
Sure, here it is: 'GQueues does it, Droptask does it, so the claim that "google doesn't let anyone do this" is demonstrably false. If a todoist staffer would just go ahead and say "not worth our time", that would be something.'
This claim was never made (at least I couldn't find it). Todoist already mentioned the possibility of a two-way sync in the future, so they couldn't have said that. But they also mentioned, that they want to focus on a one-way real-time sync first.
Doit.im also supports two-way sync:
I'm currently working on an application to simulate a one-way real-time sync by pulling the iCal feed every 1min and update Google Calendar if necessary. I'm doing this mainly for me, but I will probably release this to the public when finished.
@Darek I was referring to "Unfortunately, we still have the same limitation that is imposed by Google...we haven't heard any news from Google and are unsure if they're ever willing to address this issue". There is no need for Google to address anything; the API docs are there, there are webhooks to be notified of calendar changes. If there are limitations, those sure don't seem to bother Droptask and GQUeues.
I've looked at Doit.im; see my experiences at http://softwarerecs.stackexchange.com/questions/2883/task-manager-with-two-way-google-calendar-sync. I'm looking at IQTell again with the help of Korky.
WRT the push-to-gcal solutionL Todoist has an API that allows you to ask whether there are any changes, and what those are. I'd use that rather than a full icalendar download and re-push.
@Darek call up IQTELL and find out how THEY do it on a real time basis.
Google isn't imposing the limit, unless real time sync costs Todoist more. Please quit giving us this line that Google in imposing the limit.
They are not. Otherwise other solutions wouldn't work.
Thanks, now I know what you were referring to. Clyde was most likely referring to the iCal limitations, that indeed do exist. Just a post later someone mentions the use of the API instead, which was then passed to the devs and later agreed to be implemented.
I know that I could simply ask the API. But I'm doing iCal polling because I want to reuse it for other iCal feeds I'm using in Google Calendar. I also won't update the Google Calendar, if nothing has changed (based on a hash I will store).
I mentioned Doit.im, because it supports the API sync. But since I switched from them, I wouldn't recommend them (ammong other things, they deliberately withhold a backup/export feature).
Again, I'm talking about the iCal sync (current method), which DOES have a limitation. That's not a line, it is a fact. You simply cannot force Google to update an iCal feed more often. This doesn't mean you cannot acomplish a real time sync, it only means you cannot do it using an iCal feed.
IQTell uses the API instead, as you can see here:
That's the solution, Todoist agreed to work on. This one has no limitations like the iCal feed (except the provider needs to pay some cash, if they reach a certain limit).
Here's a quick summary, so there are no more misundestandings. There are two methods to provide a sync with Google Calendar:
- iCal feed, the current method, which simply sucks, because Google controls when it gets updated
- API, which is the method some providers (like IQTell) use. That's the method, which Todoist wants to implement. And that's the method, which has no real limitations.
I've made a small design and hired someone to get a small app done, here we go; http://ghyth.com/en/
it's free of charge.
the software makes sync every 3 minutes.
Thanks to Clyde Romo from Todoist team who provided the needful data to make the software done.
I understood this was an issue to get todoist to sync with Google calendar, but I use IFTTT app. Check it out peeps if you have not. :-)
IFTTT syncs one-way, and only creation, so the "sync" diverges almost immediately.
I have been waiting for this feature since 2014, I didn't think it would take a premier task list creation team 6 months to build a simple real time syncing feature that countless other ones have. I'll be taking my time to GQueues, and I say that with great sadness because I loved Todoist. The real time sync is just to important to NOT have.
This is a CRITICAL update. I hope it is added soon.
The sentiment is there, for sure. I fear, however, from the Todoist "chime ins' on this thread, this is not a priority for the development team. Further, we are the consumer, and the Todoist group has chosen not to disclose the logic of their decision or even provide somewhat of a work around. While IFTTT can partially, clumsily help here, the reason for real-time sync to Gcal eludes me seeing that other products accomplish this standardly.
I would ask that Todoist at least make an effort to explain:
1) What the technical reason for not having real-time sync with Gcal (please do not insult us by saying it's Google's fault. It's not. And you're just fabricating reasons)
2) Why this issue hasn't been elevated to an action status. (i.e. too much resource, the cost is not justifiable, it violates the philosophy of the product, etc)
3) What valid workarounds might be used? IFTTT is one, but Todoist didn't suggest that, a user did.
Having been in product design, product marketing and development for almost 30 years, the responsibility for successful products relies on the ability of the entire organization to listen to their users and communicate TRUTHFULLY.
The party line of "It's Google's Fault" is no longer being accepted here.
I similarly have my experience in market research and public relations, and continue to put my time into tech startup development, where the eternal first priority is customer relationships that yield understanding and communication--which feeds into my primary reason for not understanding the barriers of communication that are at work here. It's almost insulting to your users who are a group of (obviously) tech savvy individuals to suggest that somehow there is a blockage on Google's side. I would much rather be told that it can't be done and given a valid reason why so I can move on with my life, rather than being kept on a hook by my hope that hasn't even been validated by the team. Or, if by a mystic power Google is at fault, explain the issue, we can keep up. I love this application, and the user interface and experience goes far and beyond what most others offer. It's sad to see a fixable Achilles Heel bringing down this service. Please don't send my money elsewhere, because I really DO want to stay.
Hi David, I just read with great interest the announcement of Completely Renewed TODOIST 10 for iOS scheduled for March 31st. The announcement is billeted as a 'completely updated app for iOS- one that has been carefully crafted to our to-do listings effortless and our time as productive as possible.' The announcement goes on to list the new feature you are most excited about is the "Intelligent Input" capability.
I can't help but hope, wonder and ask, does this major upgrade also include full two-way real time calendar sync with iCal? If so, I and many others will be thrilled. If not, I for one would have much much preferred what ever resources you put into Intelligent Input had instead been devoted to iCal calendar sync.
I can't emphasize enough how much your great app urgently needs to incorporate the one feature we have been figuratively screaming for. By comparison, And I could be wrong, but I don't recall seeing any of your customers asking for Intelligent Input to the same degree. This is where sharing the roadmap would be such a benefit to you and your customers.
Yours very respectfully,
Stop repeating your silly "Todoist keeps saying, it's Google's fault" argument. They've made this claim once in 2014, and they then learned about the API method and agreed to work on it to provide a one-way real-time sync. They've made it clear multiple times, that it's only a matter of time. Their policy is not to give any roadmap. Take it or leave it. Switch to another app and complain about all those features they are missing instead.
Todoist also suggested Zapier and IFTTT as a workaround (though a bad one).
You might want to look into this thread: https://todoist.com/Support/show/43938/
@David Trey Take note....
@Dan Baril: Well put.
Besides seeing no long threads demanding "Intelligent Input" I also have not seen long threads complaining of iOS usability. Ditto no long threads demanding apps for Apple and Android watches. There were also no long threads for Kharma functionality. And I'm sure before long there will be wonderful words about a new Android app - which again no long threads will have been demanding.
Understand Todoist want some 'Bling' to impress new people, but enough is enough - core fuunctional improvment is what will do more for you in the longer term. Listen to your users.
"They've made it clear multiple times, that it's only a matter of time."
I don't see this. I think it was said once in the Autumn of last year and it was also coupled with an aspirational view fromTodoist that they hoped to be delivering such a solution by the end of that year - 2014. Since then they have backed away from saying much of consequence at all. And I dont see any good news in the latest uterances.
Sep 19, 2014 - "We are going to address this issue, it's on our developer's to-do list. I can't tell you what priority it is as often we shuffle between implementing different features and something else may need urgent attention, but it's definitely a matter of when not if. We hope that this year it will be finally addressed. "
Dec 12, 2014 - "This is in our plans and we hope we can implement this in near future, but as always, we don't have any ETA or deadline, unfortunately. "
Mar 23, 2015 - "I can assure you that we will look into this"
Sure, it's not optimal, but from the developers perspective it would be worse to either not meet a specific deadline, or deliver a buggy application just to make it on time. Their focus lies on the product and not the customers. While controversal, it seems to work really well.
Thank you for your compliment. As you will have noted from my previous posts, I have tried very hard to take the high road in my comments for TODOIST staff. I am a firm believer that being polite and respectful usually gets a better response. And so far, TODOIST staff have nearly always immediately replied to all of my posts containing a question. Anxious to see if that tract record remains intact. I could be naive, but I like to think my respectful communication style has something to do with it.
Having said all that, I simply can't imagine that a "Back to the drawing board" major update would not include the calendar sync feature we all have been asking for.
For now and until I see it with my own eyes that V10 does not have calendar sync, I am giving TODOIST the benefit of the doubt. I am choosing to believe/hope that V10 includes calendar sync with iCal in the same way TODOIST syncs with Sunrise calendar which as I have stated before does 95% of what I want and which I am very happy with.
But, if by some measure of incredulity, TODOIST does in fact release something as major as V10 that gives us everything we did NOT ask for and fails to give us the one thing we DID ask for, then I may indeed join the chorus and become one of TODOIST's unhappiest customers. Not because of the missing feature, but rather due to their complete incompetence and inability to read their customers and give them what they want/need .... says he who is still trying really hard to take the high road :-)
Thanks for the quotes.
The first one I remember - I think because it was in a thread I started, looking for clarification on all this.
The second one I'd forgotten about. And it feels like at that time they had the broad mindset of what prompted the first quote. Ie soemthing would be happening.
The third quote says nothing really. The first two are about action to do soemthing. The third just promises they will look at it. And most coments now are just like that in tone.
They need to get back to realising this needs to happen and to offering encouraging words that its going to happen.
@Darek Kay @BruceMarriott
Spot on! I think that there are several Todo Apps that have the same identical functionality that Todoist has. Many of them do have the same restriction of 24 hour sync with Google Calendar. My suspicion is that perhaps the "real-time" sync is too expensive to program or there is some overhead cost. Also possible, maybe probable, is that the Todoist server might not be robust enough to handle mobile traffic if it's spending a lot of time push notifications to the apps AND to the Google server.
IQTELL has real time sync with Gcal and iCal. So do a few other companies. So, we know it isn't Google's fault. But it may be inadvertently "Google's fault" from the Todoist Marketing angle. Todoist does sync real time from itself to iCal (well within the iCal interval you set) but not the reverse ( iCal->Todoist).
@Korky, the GQueues "team" consists of I think a single person, and GQueues is just $2.08/month. Whatever the costs are, they can't be all *that* high, not can it be prohibitively complex to do when a single dev can knock it out and maintain it.
I don't think Todoist (or any of the others) actually sync with the ical feed -- ical is a drop-dead simple format, and easily assembled live from the database which holds the task data. That's what I did for our school system to offer class schedules, and a modest server handled 3K+ users with the performance impact so low that we couldn't even sensibly measure it. The iCal feed is probably just the state of affairs at the moment it is requested; Google just doesn't request it very often or predictably.
Maybe Todoist should just hire Cameron Henneke for a month and get it over with :)
I'd pay Todoist premium *plus* $2.08 a month immediately for two way sync.
Thanks, I might try that seeing that they have a 2 week trial.
IQTELL syncs real time with iCal and Gcal, in a standard kind of way, as we have discussed. You merely have to plug in the subscription data for the Todo source and it works well, at least for me.
$25 per year isn't so bad, considering you get full Gcal sync. I will need to check out the functionality though. Have you tried out "Things"? Seems like I did early on and there was something functionally I didn't like. I KNOW I didn't like the model of paying for everything al la carte. Desk was like $30, the iphone and ipad apps were $15 a piece, which made your total investment $60, plus I think you have to pay $10/year to sync it all up. I guess long term cost of ownership is good, though $70 up front and then $10/year as opposed to $35 or $50 per year for other solutions.
GQueues is fairly barren as far as functionality goes, but I don't need much. The only reason really that I'm still looking out for alternatives is that it doesn't play nice with my email client of choice, eM Client.
If I have the right "Things" in front of me, it's Mac/iOS only; while I could actually consider switching from Windows to Mac (no particularly preference between them), I don't think I could wean myself off of Android :) it does too much just right for me. The cost you outline would totally be worth it to me -- I've spend a multiple of that just trying everything on my list out.
@Darek Kay, Re: "Their focus lies on the product and not the customers. While controversal, it seems to work really well."
I don't think product and customer focus has to be a mutually exclusive business model. On the contrary, there are numerous examples of companies that do both quite well, Apple being one of them. Based on the customer feedback in this forum, I'd disagree with the "seems to work really well" assessment. It does not work well for customers, and long term it's not a promising business model for the developer.
@Korky, with regard to cost as a potential explanation, I am not sure that is the case. Two way calendar sync works with Sunrise, so why can't it work with iCal, or is there some inherent technical difference? FWIW, TODO Cloud (from which I came as a customer last December) is another good task app that is struggling terribly in the calendar sync arena both in terms of app development and customer support and communications.
Either way, I can't help but suspect the cost to develop iCal calendar sync would be a mere fraction of the resources and costs instead devoted to the V10 overhaul few if any of us asked for, need, or want. It's seeming more and more to me that TODOIST prefers to develop what IT wants versus what its customers want, which is what I believe Darek was driving at. Steve Jobs had a similar reputation for sticking to his visions, but I think it's fair to say his deliverables were not often very far off the mark from what customers wanted, or didn't know they wanted/needed, but in the end very much appreciated. I am not convinced that failing to deliver Calendar sync represents similar "visionaryism."
@Emiliano, Re: "I'd pay Todoist premium *plus* $2.08 a month immediately for two way sync."
If they do it immediately, for one year, I'll pay your $2.08/month as well as mine, @Korky's, @Bruce's, @Darek's :-)
You think I'm kidding? I am not! In fact, a @David Trey if you comitt TODAY in this forum to delivering full two-way realtime calendar sync by April 30th, 2015, I will proccess TODAY a $500 credit card payment to TODOIST which you can put toward the necessary programming and other resources. This is a serious and legitimate offer on my part.
"I think that there are several Todo Apps that have the same identical functionality that Todoist has"
Can you point me into the right direction? I've tried many apps, but I haven't seen an app, that feels exactly like Todoist. I'm not talking about the number of features, but the overall usability and user experience (which is the main goal for Todoist).
"Their focus lies on the product and not the customers. While controversial, it seems to work really well."
This philosophy works if you are a big enough company, that can garner lots of media attention (i.e. Apple) AND you are introducing new products. Todoist is neither.
Todoist's product is in a very competitive space. Most all consultants and product strategists are going to tell you that in a competitive space, you win on 1) market penetration 2) Customer service 3) Features. Note that Features is last of these. Todoist has done a rather good job at market penetration. But it's the second point that they fall down. Listening to your customers, and responding appropriately is a big part of success. Case in point...if other Todo programs have this issue with Google (which they don't), then couldn't you grab potential market share if you could have it in your programs where the other's don't? That leads to more market penetration, happier customers, and another tick on the features list.
While you product roadmap is important, where should that roadmap come from? Two places 1) Customer base 2) Product Marketing. The customer base is very important because in a market that is saturated (i.e. Todo apps) your customers are your best and cheapest source of intelligence. They are the ones that are trying the new products and seeing the new features. They are also the ones that are using your product on a daily basis in REAL (not academic or suspected) use. Your product marketing is important because THEY are tasked with knowing other applications like yours and how you stack up. Their input is vital.
No matter how you look at it, concentrating on product alone, eventually will cause you to fall by the wayside.
@Darek Kay, "Can you point me..."
I live in the Apple ecosystem and have tried nearly every task app in the market. The one I liked best prior to coming to TODOIST was TODO Cloud. It's overall usability and user experience is also excellent, but as mentioned in my earlier post, they too lack and are struggling with Calendar sync. At least TODOIST syncs with Sunrise.
I'll clarify my comment in saying that there are PLENTY of products in the "Todo" space that do the basic things that Todoist does.
I am not so bold to say that your personal use and preference doesn't play a role in your choice of product. Your special set of circumstances most likely are significantly different than mine. But if you set the features down in a list, and chronicle them, you'd probably see that many products do exactly the same things as Todoist.
My own personal example: I decided last year to select a system for my Todo part of productivity system. I used gmail for email, Evernote for archiving documents, Fantastical as a mobile calendar, and then was looking for the final piece. I looked at maybe a dozen or more products and it came down to IQTELL and Todoist. IQTELL's desktop app is unrivaled for my use, but they have some issues with their mobile app (but it's one price for everything). Todoist is very simplistic and not nearly as robust on the desk top, but their mobile formatting is very nice.
So that being said, if it works for you, then by all means continue to use it and enjoy. But there ARE other apps...lots of them, that are available and are very nicely formatted.
DITTO DAN BARIL!
Re his post on Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 5:35 AM.
Thank you @Dan Baril for making such a spot-on, and articulate case.
I don't use the Apple ecosystem, so it's possible that I've missed some nice alternatives. I've tried IQTell briefly, but I'm a fan of separate tools that do one thing great, than one tool that does everything mediocrely.
I know only one promissing Todo app (with planned Google Calendar integration), that doesn't look like another clone:
I simply loved Moo.do. Thank you for the tip.
Thank you for the tip! Also I'm about to try the long player in this market "ToDo" a older program that just got a nice facelift. Probably won't be of value to you Google Calendar folks, but it claims to have bidirectional sync with iCal . It's being heavily reviewed in articles right now, too. http://www.appigo.com/todo-task-and-to-do-list.html.
Can you point to where you are seeing that ToDo has bidirectional sync with iCal?
Actually I misspoke. They do not sync to any calendar. I was confused in reading their documentation on how they sync to Dropbox and iCloud. I wrongly extrapolated that this meant to iCal. Now they do allow sync to Toodledo which in turn updates calendars, but I really didn't know this until I spoke with one of their developers.
One solution that I am investigating now is a program called TickTick. It has direct push integration to Google Calendar and iCal. I've tested this and it works great. Todoist does this, however, to iCal and to Google (although not real-time). However, it looks from the documentation that if you upgrade to their "pro" version you have the reverse push also, i.e. FROM iCal or Google to TickTick. I have a specific email into their developers about this.
As it sits at this moment, based on my research and personal use, only IQTELL has mastered the integration both ways with both calendars, real time.
Thanks for correction. As mentioned in previous posts Appigo's ToDo is similarly struggling with Calendar Sync both in terms of functionality and communications with its customers. They too (I was one of them) are extremely frustrated with non-communication around the issue. At least Todoist works with Sunrise which is the only reason I migrated to Todoist.
I will look again at Toodledo which you say now offers Calendar sync. I will be anxious to see if the task sync actually shows the task on the Calendar by name, editability, two-way...etc. From the screenshots it appears the task appears on the Calendar as merely a dot icon instead of the task name as Sunrise does.
Have you looked at Calendars 5 by Readdle? It claims synching to both iCal and Google Cal, but it would cost me $7 to check it out. I won't pay that if you or someone else has reviewed it. It looks to have similar functionality to most ToDo managers, but hard to tell. Now enough on line marketing for it.
Yes, in fact I have Calendar 5 on my iPhone and iPad. It syncs flawlessly with iCal and Google Cal, but not with Todoist. I use Calendar 5 for two reasons only:
1. The month view for Sunrise on iPhone is not very good. It's fine on the iPad.
2. For those times when I want to look at my Calendar without seeing the clutter of tasks from Todoist. Granted, I could just as easily toggle tasks on/off within Sunrise, but I find it just as easy to swap between the Sunrise and Calendar 5 windows.
FYI, on my iMac I use BusyCal.
It's all just about UI preference on each platform.
When you say "Todoist syncs with Sunrise..." I seem to have tried that, before, but it's not two way right?
Personally I'm ok NOT putting my tasks on my calendar, because I DO philosophically separate my Calendar from my Tasks to do. If an event or even a task has date AND time, I put it on my calendar. If just a date, then it goes to the Task manager app.
That's why it's really important for me to see Calendar events (date/time) ON my Task list. I just want to see the calendar events on a daily view. If I have 4 things to do today and 1 meeting at 3:30 and my son's Baseball game at 7pm, I want to see Friday, March 27, 2015, the four tasks and two appointments (i.e. calendar events).
If I change the appointment on the calendar, I would expect that the appointment would move, real time on my todo application. But I'm not particularly interested in have task due dates appear on my calendar.
Yes it is two-way and it is in realtime. You can edit a task in either Todoist or in Sunrise and the edits will immediately replicate to the other. The only thing you can't do in Sunrise is create a new task. You can only view and edit a task that was created in Todoist.
Ok...I guess I need to look at that. I didn't see any particular setting to hook the two together other than the iCal feed. But that might do the trick. As long as it ties back to my iCal (which I think it does), I might be ok. Will fool around with that this afternoon and see if I can get my needed results. Problem usually comes up in that I need to post to multiple calendars (in iCal: Work, Charity, Family, etc).
I connected Sunrise to Todoist and it pretty much does what all the rest do...one way sync outbound.
I brought up Sunrise, then brought up the connection page to Connect with Todoist. Upon authentication, I got all my tasks in Todoist pushed to the Sunrise Calendar, but not vice versa.
What I had to do was specify Todoist only (Tasks) which is a pain. I would like ALL my calendar events from today on, be on the calendar and in my task lists.
While this is fairly close, it's not the best way to do things. Since I share calendar with my family I would have to put the item in 2 times, one to sync to Todoist and one to sync to the appropriate calendar like "Family"
Not sure I completely agree the sync between Todoist and Sunrise Calendar is only one-way, outbound. Edits to a task on either platform do indeed flow in both directions. Let me explain.
Per my earlier post, if you create a task in Todoist it immediately appears in Sunrise Calendar. If you make further edits to that task in Todoist, those edits will also immediately appear in Sunrise. Similarly, if you make edits to a task in Sunrise by right-clicking the task and selecting edit (make whatever edits you want) and then save, those edits are reflected in Sunrise and is immediately changed back in Todoist. That to me is two-way sync.
I agree with you, however, Calendar "appointments" regardless if they are made in Sunrise, iCal, gCal...etc., do not sync back to Todoist to appear among your tasks. And I further agree this would be a wonderful feature. I typically have anywhere between 10-20 tasks per day and seeing those crammed into "month view" even on a 27" iMac is not practical. But the reverse, seeing my calendar "appointments" sequentially appear by time, date, or any other filter, appearing on the much larger amount of real-estate afforded by a task app such as Todoist is entirely more viewable and workable. I completely agree with you on that point and I too would welcome that functionality.
There are one or two other limitations in Sunrise Calendar as previously mentioned. For example you can't create a new task in Sunrise and have it sync back to Todoist. The task first has to be created in Todoist. Last week, someone else mentioned that you can't print Calendars in Sunrise, which to me is no limitation at all. I have no need, whatsoever, to print a calendar. There maybe a few other minor limitations I've yet to mention or come across, but once again I maintain that Sunrise does 90% or so of what I need.
I have several (4 in total) other calendars too, one of which is a gCal calendar my wife and I share for joint events...etc. There too, I have no problem having all these calendars simultaneously appearing in Sunrise in and among my Todoist tasks. Admittedly, my wife does not see my tasks but only because she is not using Sunrise or Todoist. I see no reason why she would not see a task on her Sunrise feed if I enabled it. If what you are trying to do is have only certain tasks sync to a specific calendar only, that functionality may or may not exist at the moment. I don't know. I haven't the need to try that yet. But I am sure it would not be too hard to make happen.
Bottom line in all of this, is the fact Sunrise is, as you say, "fairly close" and given that Sunrise is a near-partner and sanctioned app of Todoist's, I really don't get why Todoist hasn't simply explored the relationship a degree or two closer. Sunrise looks and acts like a near identical twin to iCal, gCal...etc. It simply boggles my mind that Todoist can seemingly make two-way sync work with one but not the other. I simply don't get it. But I am also not an app developer or programmer of any kind. I am purely a user of these various apps, albeit one that knows what functionality he wants.
The argument goes either way depending on your desires and wishes, I suppose.
I want my calendar to be for real appointments that are nailed to a date and time. But, When a task comes along, and I want to slot it, I do want to see "appointments" on my todo manager which will let me slot tasks appropriately around any appointments.
One tool I'm revisiting is WebIS Pocket Informant. It has it's own calendar but syncs with Gcal and iCal. It has it's own Project/Task system but syncs completely with Toodledo. It also syncs notes with Evernote. The calendaring is excellent, and it supports multiple calendars, mirroring what I have in iCal. I would switch to just one tool for tasks and todos, but those can get pushed to my iCals for family and charity work. So far, it is holding up on my tests.
Wow, a lot of updates.
* Toodledo: is fantastic, but again, only an icalendar feed, no sync, alas.
* TickTick: I must have missed the gcal sync, I could only find an iCalendar feed. I'll upgrade and see what I can get to work
* I'll look again into WebIS. I couldn't really wrap my head around it before
WebIS Pocket Informant has been around a long time and is avery encompassing product that is a bit like the old-time DayTimers. Thought it's interface had changed over time. But it syncs its tasks to iCal and Gcal. But, it has its OWN calendar, too. what's nice is that I can configure it to where I can see iCal events right on the same day as my Todos. There are multiple calendar displays, too (Day, Week, Month) along with an Agenda view for the day which is beautiful. It has it's own project management system built-in, with tasks and sub-tasks (these export and import with Toodledo. I had purchased it some time back and forgot I had it. Very user configurable!
For those looking for a workaround using Sunrise Calendar, you could set things up like I do. It's not ideal, but it DOES work real-time.
1) Set up the link from Todoist to Sunrise Calendar (see Todoist Documentation on how to do this). Once established, all your Todoist tasks will automatically appear in your Sunrise Calendar. (Note if you tie Sunrise to your Google Calendar, the tasks will populate there, also.
2) Any new tasks in Todoist will populate Sunrise real-time. These then can update Google Calendar whenever that time interval is.
3) When you create your event in Sunrise, merely choose the Todoist Task as the "calendar" to post to. This will create that event as a task in your Todoist Inbox.
4) If you want to see all your Calendar tasks in Todoist, simply create a new project and name it "Calendar Events". Then move the events created by Sunrise into that project out of your inbox using the "Move to Project" option on the task (right click).
Like I said, this is far from a perfect situation, but for those of you that are calendar-centric, this may help you.
I hope Todoist realizes that at this point, the way they're handling this issue has become a joke! A ridiculous joke!
Jun 2014 - "Unfortunately, we still have the same limitation that is imposed by Google." which we all know is BS.
March 2015 - "we'll surely look into it soon" which it's clear by now that this is also BS.
Oh well... Just waiting for my Premium subscription to expire to quit Todoist forever and ever.
@Andre L. Souza
And what are you going to use instead?
I am disappointed in Todoist too, but there aren't any iOS/OSX apps that do a better job of everything else. And, Sunrise Calendar is a good interim solution. Not ideal but good.
If you read through this entire forum, there are lots of opinions on what else works. But most of them are complicated and/or don't offer as clean and simple user interface.
In the end, I don't understand why Todoist would develop all features it did in version 10 that few if any of us asked for/wanted, and ignore the one feature (full two way calendar Sync) so many users want and have been asking for.
The "joke" as you put it, is billeting Version 10 as a 'from the ground-up complete redesign aimed at making the user experience better and more efficient...etc.' It does nothing of the sort when it ignores the one feature we want and have asked for. I personally have offered, in writing, a significant financial contribution toward the development of calendar sync, and that offer did not even get a reply.
My conclusion is Todoist is not interested in developing the feature and/or does not know how to do it.
What are we going to use instead?? OMG! There are only about 200 products in this space!
Both IQTELL and Omnifocus have calendar sync. Personally I'm now using Omnifocus and I'm delighted.
Like Andre, I'll not sign up for Todoist again. I'm probably not going to be that harsh, but it's pretty obvious that their product development staff isn't listening to their users. My guess is that they will be selling their company soon to someone for the profits.
It's really not that hard to fix this, they are choosing NOT to. They pretty much are ignoring the voices of their customers, and we have no real way to "protest" because they already have our money.
Work arounds are the only solution, but there are some.
Moo.do is pretty fantastic and they have google calendar integration on their roadmap.
I don't agree there are "200" products in this space with native full two-way calendar sync real time integration. If there were, many of us would have migrated to one of them long ago. Respectfully, IQTELL is an example of one of the complicated user interfaces I was referring to by comparison to Apps like Todoist and other Apps with similar looks and feel.
If Omnifocus now Syncs with gCal and iCal, that is new. For a long time the Omni line of products only synced with a proprietary calendar. Other products in the line too like OmniOutline did not at all play nice with storage options like Dropbox.
But I agree with you Todoist is not managing this issue well or very caringly.
I didn't mean to imply that there were 200 products in the two-way calendar sync niche, obviously... Really Dan?
The "Todo / Lite Project Tracking" space has probably that many products if you count online, client/server and mobile apps, and that space is growing with new startups every day.
I find IQTELL very intuitive, but admittedly it's overkill if you are looking for just a todo list tracker. I manage lots of projects, each with critical due dates, timelines and milestones, so it was a good offering when I was initially looking at solutions. I especially liked the integration of its own email client into the interface so you could attach emails to projects, to tasks or archives. It has real-time sync to about any calendar you want.
I have previous said that the competitors in this marketing niche seem to all have come to the conclusion to be "stand alone". A few like IQTELL and HANDLE have integrated email into their interfaces, but as a rule Email is considered out of scope for the product. So has calendaring. Only a few product have their own calendar that integrates externally (Omnifocus is one of these). There's a good reason for this, as most productivity gurus will tell you that you should use your planning system to plan and you calendar system for appointments. I am one that subscribes to that. So, if I can see my tasks in my calendar, that's great. If I can enter an item ON my calendar and have it show up as a task on occasion, that's great, too. The thing is, that I want to see both in both places (Hence my choice of Omnifocus).
If you are a calendar-centric person, then I'd suggest using a super calendar program for your todo lists as well, as long as your needs are simple to-do tracking. For instance, Fantastical 2 has that capability. I believe that Reddit's calendar does also. While it MAY be a nice to have, the developer has to have a scope of their product offering. For GTD kinds of things most ToDo/Project Lite apps don't offer full, real-time integration, but most DO offer the capability of seeing your tasks in your particular calendar.
For me all this discussion is fairly moot, because I DON'T use Google calendar. I live in the Apple ecosystem, so I use iCloud and in many cases that takes care of a lot of integration and timing issues. For instance, I don't have to wait 24 hours for something to post between programs, just 5 minutes or so.
All things being said, it would have been nice for Todoist to go full bore to get real-time integration, but I suspect there are two ways to do that...one..via a standard Google API that costs nothing, and two, via a custom API that make have some prohibitive (to Todoist) licensing costs. That's only a guess. We can keep beating the dead horse, but after 2-3 years it hasn't made it high enough on their hit-list. To most, that would imply that they have no intention of pursuing anything along that path despite implied promises. Posting more, sending messages I think won't change their minds. Accept the product for what it does best, or find another product that more suits your style.
However, the other solution might be that you need to examine your own productivity process and see if maybe THAT needs tweaking also.
There's only a single API for Google for this. You get 1,500,000 requests/day/app for free. 1.5M requests per day, assuming intelligent use of those (only push changes, only react to the realtime API they offer) goes a long way. If you use the API intelligently and you still hit the quota, you can request to have the quota for your app raised for free.
Cost of API usage is not the issue here.
Andre said he was leaving Todoist because of the calendar sync issue. So I asked to where he was going to migrate to get calendar sync to which you replied "OMG there are about 200 products in this space he could choose from," the implication being they all had calendar sync, few of which do.
I agree the space had many products all to various capabilities and user interfaces.
Lots to choose from and I live in the Apple ecosystem too. I like the look and feel of programs like Todoist and Appigo Todo...etc. Just wish they did a better job giving their paying customers what they ask for.
OK, I get you.
In my many years of working with startups and managing growth, it's always key to state up front your scope of product capability for each product you offer. This is usually done to compare feature-function capability with the competition. Then through marketing research you decide what you can offer that the others don't. As you implement your product to your customers, they will give valid feedback on what's important to them, the end user. At that time, your product marketing has to compare that versus the competition, and see if the features should be added based on competitive analysis and cost. Since the grand majority of web-based/app-based product provide about the same level of support that Todoist does, then if I'm their Vp of development, I'm asking myself if we provide better linkage of calendars, what would that buy me? Would my market share significantly increase? Will it decrease drastically if I DON'T put that new feature in? In other words, if I invest $1000 in development, will it translate to $2000 in increased sales (simply speaking).
I think that Todoist is doing what other folks in their space are doing...providing links so that you can enter those in external calendars. They HAVE gone the extra mile to get full synchrony with Sunrise Calendar, which is great. That's actually a step ahead of most competitors.
Now what would you pay to get that integration to iCal and gCal on a real time basis? Would pay an extra $20/year for it? $30 a year? Hence that balance there.
I think that's where these guys are on that issue and their perception is that they don't want to raise the price of the product (maybe in a new version in the future), and the effort to program the feature would be too cost prohibited when their competition isn't providing any link either.
Yes we need this sync with Google Calendar pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeee
Any updates on this - the last staff update was over a month ago.
+1 for me of course
I'm looking forward for the Material Update for Android :) Hopefully, given how big the update seems to be, it'll have this built-in with 2-way sync :)
There are too many apps that integrate for free with my google calendar... I'm getting tired of this war between Google and Microsoft. Google Sync was the best thing that ever got deleted from existence. Bridging the gap between Google and Outlook with an efficient piece of software is something I miss every day... boo hoo
How many responses are on this thread? Over a full year and they can't integrate with Google Calendar? This foreshadows a poor experience with the app... I was excited about getting started. My first step was to integrate my google calendar. And hopefully both my personal and work calendars. And now I find that you can't do that.
I'm truly amazed that the staff hasn't at least given a definitive answer on WHY they can't integrate. They've made the claim in several previous posts that Google isn't allowing them to, but I just can't imagine how that's possible.
I'm glad I didn't go straight to premium.
Turns out a fancy interface and website doesn't imply functionality. :-(
Agreed, but you must remember what Todoist is probably trying to do!
Case in point: There is a similar app, very elegant that has todos and calendar integration, but also has it's own calendar. It has Artificial Intelligence that learns how and when you do things, and then schedules based on your history. Very cool!
The app is called Timeful, and was just acquired by Google for an undisclosed sum, but in excess of 2 million. Granted they DO have bi-direction support for Google and iCal, but the point is the same.
Most apps in this space do not bidirectionally sync with a calendar. They typically allow either the capability to see todos on a calendar, or allow the calendar to post todo's to the app. Todoist chose to integrate with Sunrise Calendar, perhaps because it was easier and less restrictive.
For GTD purists, it's a no-no to put todos on calendars and vice versa because they represent two paradigms...strict time-based appointments, and todos, which by GTD standards typically can be done anytime. Most GTD folks, like me, want to see calendar events in my ToDo App, for reference (i.e. Omnifocus and other do this), but I don't make changes to a Todo in my calendar app.
All this to say this: Todoist Developers have never been that sensitive to customer input, and in some cases, going so far as to lie about capabilities and functionality. It's why I dropped them cold. Todoist folks, I believe, are simply putting together an app that's fairly functional, well downloaded, and aesthetically pleasing so as to hope that someone will show interest in buying the product and/or the company, making it's founders very rich.
I wouldn't look for this functionality any time soon. They've been ignoring the request for years, so it doesn't seem likely that they will change their mind any time soon.
@ Korky: Agreed. I'll continue looking for something functional.
Perhaps a lot of people use this app and like it because it looks nice, or they are mostly iCal users. Unfortunately, I'll have to take my Google using business elsewhere to find a solution to my to do list needs.
@Mikael Magnuson - this small software might help - take a look www.ghyth.com/en
Eh. I like Todoist because it is everywhere. I can add tasks from almost
anywhere. My email, my phone, whatever. Though one day I plan to just use
it as a capture tool and forward the tasks elsewhere.
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@Kevin- FYI, almost all decent ToDo/Lite project managers have that. It certainly isn't exclusive to Todoist LOL.
Took a peak at Timeful. YUK!!!!
Among other things it works only in Portrait on a iPhone/iPad.
Much, much, much prefer the Todoist/Sunrise setup I have going.
Timeful just got bought by Google, and contains AI to help you schedule things in a slightly different way. No desktop access and it's limited. Good UX thought. Google may fix it or just let it die.
The following apps have presence among all platforms (desktop, phone, tablet, email, etc):
Wunderlist (get the most recent version)
Remember the Milk
Informant (by WebIS)
Most all of these also integrate in some way with both iCal and Google Calendar.
That Last message should have been directed at Dan, partially.
The point I was trying to make that apparently went over the head, was that in this market, you're always looking to get a buyer and cash in. I don't use Timeful, but I DID find their approach unique and I was looking under the covers more that what platforms it runs on (which is NOT a measure of quality of app).
Google paid a pretty hefty sum, so either they thought Timeful was a threat (doubtful) or that it had promise. Goggle has three other Todo/Time Mgmt products most of which ONLY run on Android, which cuts out a very large part of the market. So in any case, they thought it prudent to buy the application for whatever the reason (i suggest for the AI that's built in).
I believe that Todoist is probably pretty dismayed that Google didn't throw cash in toward them! But I remain convinced that Todoist is developing to sell, not to continue to add new features, even if the features are extremely important to their customer base.
One thing to remember is that while Todoist has a lot of downloads, it's rather presumptuous to equate that directly to USERS of the product. This of course is true of all apps.
@Korky: I disagree slightly with you. One thing Todoist has done very well
is to facilitate task entry. I can enter tasks in Chrome. I can enter in
Firefox. I can add my emails as tasks. I can enter tasks on Android using
the app or even just click on a persistent notification the app shows and
add tasks in a popover window. I can add tasks on my Mac desktop. I can add
tasks on my Chromebook, the 2 times a year I use it. Wunderlist is close,
but few apps make it THIS easy. Initially, I actually just used Todoist to
funnel tasks to IQTELL, and then I just decided to drop the middleman
(IQTELL kept delaying on API. Todoist's is weird, but they have one).
Their lack of bulk handling features continues to bug me. Apparently the
new iOS version has it. Too bad no one else does.
Am Freitag, 8. Mai 2015 schrieb Todoist Support :
I'm not sure that we disagree on task entry at all and I don't recall I said that they didn't. This thread has to do with the integration between Google Calendar (iCal also) not task entry functionality.
For the record, though, most ToDo apps have the flexibility that you mention. Almost all enter tasks the exact same way as Todoist. Omnifocus, for instance, has plugins to Chrome and Firefox (I use Chrome) that allow quick entry and, even better, integration with Gmail. Wunderlist surprised me recently with their new additions of folders and projects/lists, and is probably at about 95% functionality with IQTELL, Todoist, Omnifocus and others.
I used IQTELL for a significant time until they have all their server problems and their Phone app had all its problems. I used Todoist and many others and finally settled on Omnifocus for its superior task HANDLING.
But I digress...If you're happy with Todoist and don't need the calendar integration, then that's a testimony to one product doesn't fit all.
Read this, and wait just a little bit more :)
@Andre & David Trey,
I gather this means we can say "finally?"
If so, then FINALLY
It seems :D I expect this to come out with Material Design, and if not, then not much time after :)
come on guy keep yourselves busy, i was using nozbe app, with great integration 2 ways with google calendar and even todoist ;-) but got hooked 2 weeks ago by the sub projects sub task etc...
this new api seems a great potential
I'm just curious - is there a reason why people keep ranting about Todoist even after moving to another tool? Just let it go...
Seems I've been away for awhile and haven't tuned in to this thread. Sounds like the developers have proposed a good idea in developing an API for the product. I'll look forward to seeing how that shakes out in the future. This may also allow their own development staff to add new additional functionality other than just the Google calendar integration. While the calendar integration was never a huge thing for me, personally, as I am not calendar-centric, I DO look forward to some ideas I've read...i.e. Evernote integration and review (this would be very helpful for me personally).
@chrimartinpo - Projects and subprojects are a a pretty standard functional feature for most well-developed offerings. Wunderlist, for instance, just added this feature to their product along with full collaboration as they up their game in this space.
@Darek Kay - Darek from what I can gather in other threads, I believe that a lot of folks were dismayed and even believe they were mislead with regard to calendar integration in the first place. Original documentation on the site purported to give this capability, but only if you went premium. Then when they did, they found out that they didn't get what they thought they would. That can spark a great deal of frustration and anger. Secondly, there is a lot of asking about other products on here. I've used a plethora of offerings. But in the past 6-8 months, there really has been a parity that has been achieved in the space. Most well-touted products have essentially the same features, so some folks are looking for that "discriminator" to help push them to one product or another. So I think it's just a combination of both these factors that cause folks to either vent their frustration, or seek those discriminators.