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Manual sort scrambled when adding new task

RL

Manually dragging tasks in the 7-day view is very important to my workflow. (I use the 7-day view because I first do the sort on the day before.) I work really hard to get my tasks (10-20+) into the right order. Then, all of the sudden, the task order is completely scrambled. This happens on both a web browser (Safari), on the Mac version and the iPad version. I've probably seen it on the iPhone version as well.

If there is anything predicable, its the addition of a new task, especially by pushing a task back from another day.

When I drag a task into position, I need to make sure it doesn't change position on its own. Any advice?

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Brendon Wadey staff
Replied on Jan 27, 2014 - 22:29

Hi Ron,

So are you moving it into another day, or within the same day? Does this occur on the Today view as well? Does it happen on another browser, say Chrome?

Regards,
Brendon.

RL
Ron Londen premium
Replied on Jan 28, 2014 - 12:44

I mostly work on the dedicated programs. Maybe 10% or less on browsers. The problem clearly does occur when no browser is used.

Let's say I get everything perfect for tomorrow's task list, working in the seven-day view. Then, I realize that one of today's tasks will not get done, so I move it to tomorrow. Suddenly the list is completely scrambled, not just with the one task, but everything else. It happened to me again this morning.

This appears to be new, in that if I had encountered this problem this often earlier, I would not have move my task management onto this platform.

David Trey staff
Replied on Jan 28, 2014 - 14:51

Hello Ron,

Reordering tasks on the 7 days view is only possible if these tasks don't have a due time (such as today at 2pm) and if you're not moving tasks that have a certain priority between tasks with a different priority.

That said, did you move a task with priority 1 somewhere outside of the p1 group? If so - then Todoist will indeed try to put it back into the group it belongs to.


Best regards,
David

RL
Ron Londen premium
Replied on Jan 28, 2014 - 15:32

I noticed that earlier, which is why I never put a time or a priority on anything. I want me to decide, not some algorithm. So as far as I can tell, all my tasks are flat.

RL
Ron Londen premium
Replied on Jan 28, 2014 - 17:35

I just built tomorrow (In Safari) and the same thing just happened: Tasks all messed up, ten minutes after I sort them manually. This one involves no new tasks, but it DID involve opening the day on a second device. Also, just to be safe, I logged out and back in.

This is becoming a "several times a day" problem. I hope you can help.

Thanks.

Brendon Wadey staff
Replied on Jan 28, 2014 - 21:50

Ron,

So your tasks have no priorities attached, no due dates at all? They are still changing after fixing them... Do they have labels attached? Do they all have notes, or only some? Do you see any type of pattern with them, when it changes back?

Regards,
Brendon.

RL
Ron Londen premium
Replied on Jan 28, 2014 - 22:26

Most do not have labels. A few have notes, but most don't. Certainly quite a few affected tasks have neither. So it would be hard to attribute it to that.

I just begins playing with "priorities" an a way that really isn't "priority, per se, but it may help: I tend to schedule my day in blocks -- morning, afternoon, evening, etc. So I could use priorities to aim my tasks into the block I want to take on, then drag things around within the block. That may actually work well, but its just a make-do. My morning is not inherently more important than the afternoon, but I'm OK pretending.

The more I look at it, the more I suspect that the problem is in the apps. Mac, iPad, iPhone. I use them all. The problem SEEMS to show up there first.

David Trey staff
Replied on Jan 29, 2014 - 05:56

Hello Ron,

Thank you for this information. It does sound like one of the apps is causing this. If you could manage to identify which one, that would be very helpful. Right now I would suspect it's the iOS app. Please try to reorder something, then open the iOS app, let it sync and refresh the view on the web (or don't - and wait for it to sync automatically).


Best regards,
David

RL
Ron Londen premium
Replied on Jan 29, 2014 - 08:37

I tried with my iPad app (which I use most) and it held the sort. I'll try to keep an eye out for a better pattern.

S
San premium
Replied on Jan 31, 2014 - 07:01

I have the same problem:

- my tasks rearrange automatically when I dont want them to in "today".
- This happens when a few tasks in today have priority (p1+p2+p3 and 4)
- I rearrange all the tasks in the order I would like for today
- I add a new task that I forgot or needs to be done urgently for today
- the tasks for today are all out of order with p4 tasks on top and p1 on bottem.
- Id like to keep my manual structuring of todays tasks even if I add new ones (this was possible before).

Its a really big problem as you can imagine. Thanks.

S
San premium
Replied on Jan 31, 2014 - 07:06

It might have to do with sharing projects. Before I shared a project and only had my own inbox/today, I didnt have this problem.

S
San premium
Replied on Jan 31, 2014 - 07:18

This seems to be happening:

- It seems that when the today-screen only consists of your own projects, it wont mess up the manual order when you add a new task to today

- It seems that when the today-screen only consists of projects you share, it wont mess up the manual order when you add a new task to today

- It seems that when the today-screen consists both projects you share and projects you dont share (only available for you), it will mess up the manual order when you add a new task to today

David Trey staff
Replied on Jan 31, 2014 - 09:00

San,

Thank you for this information. So far I still can't reproduce this so please clarify - at what point exactly does the order break? If someone else adds a task assigned to you due today or if you add a task assigned to yourself due today? Or if you add an unassigned task in a shared project due today? And is the priority set at the time of the creation of the task?


Best regards,
David

S
San premium
Replied on Jan 31, 2014 - 09:28

Hi David,

This is how the situation is at the moment.

- 2 todoist accounts (both premium), names: <1. San.> and <2. Work>.
- In <1. San> I have all my household chores/routines etc.
- In <2. Work> I have all my work

- <2. Work> shared all work projects with <1. San>

- This creates the situation that <1. San> can see all the chores and routines and work. Helicopter view.
- Further this means that <2. Work> cannot see the chores and routines and work. Can only see work.

Now onto the problem.

- <1. San> has tasks due today.
Real example:
2 x p4. (no tasks shared)
2 x p2. (no tasks shared)
12 x p1. (9 tasks shared, 3 in 1 project, 6 in another project)

- <1. San> Manually rearranges tasks for today. When he switches tabs to inbox and then back to today, the tasks remain manually arranged.

- If <1. San> creates a task in inbox of <1. San> due to today, the tasks of today automatically reorder from p4 to p1. <- problem.

- If <1. San> creates a task in a sharedproject with <2. Work> due to today, the tasks stay manually orderd. <- good!

- If <2. Work> creates a task in a sharedproject with <1. San> due to today, the tasks of today automatically reorder from p4 to p1.<- problem.

Thats how im getting the problem. Very reproducable. Il try and answer your questions below.

--

please clarify - at what point exactly does the order break?

- If someone else adds a task assigned to you due today?

Does not apply. The task is not signed to a person (unassigned).


- or if you add a task assigned to yourself due today?

Does not apply. The task is not signed to a person (unassigned).


- Or if you add an unassigned task in a shared project due today?

Yes its unassigned. And it depends on wich user does it as you can see above.


- And is the priority set at the time of the creation of the task?

Priority does not need to be set to trigger the automatic rearrangement from p4 to p1. The creation of the task, due to today is enough. Creating a task just in inbox will not set off the automatic rearrangement.


--

Regards,
San

David Trey staff
Replied on Jan 31, 2014 - 11:50

San,

Thank you very much for your detailed description. I've recreated these circumstances, followed it step-by-step and unfortunately, at no point did any order of the task on the today and 7 days list change :(

There's one piece of information that could be crucial, but I believe you haven't provided it. When "<1. San> Manually rearranges tasks for today." does he rearrange them so that he moves, let's say a task with priority 1 at the bottom somewhere between priority 4 tasks or is the rearrangement made only within the priority group?

When I've rearranged them, I only moved tasks of the same priority within their priority group and couldn't trigger the issue. If I moved the tasks so that I broke the priority groups, then I can reproduce a situation in which they get back together so that all p1 are at the top, all p1 below them etc. but not that p4 is at the top.


Best regards,
David

S
San premium
Replied on Jan 31, 2014 - 13:19

David,

I made a video to explain it a bit better. You can find it here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQN8EeYWMZ4&feature=youtu.be

Regards,
San

David Trey staff
Replied on Jan 31, 2014 - 17:13

San,

Thanks a lot for the video, this is perfectly clear now - everything works exactly as expected. You can not reorder tasks with different priorities outside of their group otherwise they will get back to the positions they belong to.

In your video, Todoist correctly puts the red task (priority 1) at the top, followed by the blue tasks (priority 2) and then the remaining not prioritized tasks (which are technically priority 4).

Now, you can freely rearrange them as you wish and the order will be preserved under one circumstance - if you keep the priority order as it is. So, for example, if this would be your default task list:

P1 - task A
P1 - task B
P1 - task C
P2 - task D
P2 - task E

Then you can reorder them like this:

P1 - task C
P1 - task A
P1 - task B
P2 - task E
P2 - task D

and it will stay like this because the tasks with P1 are at the top, followed by tasks with P2 and so on - the groups are where they belong.

If you do something like this:

P2 - task E
P1 - task A
P1 - task B
P2 - task D
P1 - task C

That will break the priority groups, P2 is at the top, then another task with the second priority somewhere in the middle, a task with P1 below it and therefore the next time you refresh the page, they will be grouped together according to the fixed priority sort. Of course.

So if you want to move a red (priority 1) task to the bottom because, let's say, it's not longer important, you can right-click on it, make it priority 4 which will automatically push it to the lower priority 4 group and you can then place it within the priority group wherever you want.


Best regards,
David

S
San premium
Replied on Jan 31, 2014 - 17:54

I see. Thanks David. That clarifies a lot. I guess Il use labels instead of priorities then. Thanks again for your explanation.

Regards,
San

Nicholas Warino premium
Replied on Feb 21, 2014 - 12:15

I'm having a similar problem.

Early this morning, before going to bed, I arranged my Today list. I use a modified "Pomodoro" technique, so I have a "Pomodoro" project that only has reccuring "Pomodori" that automatically populates my daily list. I then manually sort each specific task under the corresponding Pomodori.

For example, my Todoist Today List currently looks something like this (I can email photos if you'd like)

--- 1ST POMODORI ---
Task #1
--- 2ND POMODORI ---
Task #2
--- 3RD POMODORI ---
Task #3
--- 4TH POMODORI ---
Task #4

And so on.

I did that last night on my iMac. I didn't check Todoist until 30 minutes, and when I did, the order was completely screwed up. Most of the Pomodori (but not all!) moved to the bottom and sorta stayed in order, but not fully. I then had to re-do what I already did the night before, and manually sort everything.

My list is primarily individual tasks, but there are a couple tasks from a shared project. However, none of the tasks have labels or priorities, so I don't know why they would be moving around on their own. This is the 2nd time this has happened in the last few days.

I just checked logging onto my iPhone app and syncing, and it did not screw things up. So I don't know what the issue is.

Needless to say, it's a big annoyance! Hope you can help.

David Trey staff
Replied on Feb 24, 2014 - 07:08

Hello Nicholas,

Please tell me - does any of these tasks have a due time, like "today at 2pm", for example? If so - tasks with times will always be automatically reordered by time.

If not, did you reorder them while being online?


Best regards,
David

Nicholas Warino premium
Replied on Feb 24, 2014 - 16:30

Hey David,

1) None had a specific time.
2) Even if so, that shouldn't explain why the entire list re-ordered in a seemingly random way.
3) Yes, I did the reordering while online.

David Trey staff
Replied on Feb 25, 2014 - 07:10

Nicholas,

Thank you for the details, we'll look into it, though we need to be able to reproduce it at least once to identify the source of this issue so should you notice anything specific (for example - it only happens after you reorder one task with a specific name or from one project), please let us know.


Best regards,
David

Nicholas Warino premium
Replied on Feb 25, 2014 - 20:40

It just happened again. I can't think of anything I did other than check it on a different computer and mark off some items.



Hopefully Todoist can update so users have more control over the Today and Next 7 Days lists. Can there be a feature so we can have a manual sort, sort by priority, sort by a-z, etc.? This seems like it would solve all these sorts of issues, while adding some helpful tools, with little additional complexity (which I know is a priority of Todoist).

David Trey staff
Replied on Feb 26, 2014 - 07:06

Nicholas,

We'll consider adding manual sorting options for these views in the future. We'll keep looking into this.


Best regards,
David