I cant find the visual scheduling. THanks
When you click on a task on the mobile apps, the menu appears underneath it, choosing schedule will pop-up this menu to show your options.
The web is when you edit a task, and click on the date box.
So what exactly is the visual scheduling? Is it the icons that appear at the top that show next month, next week, etc?
Yes, those are the visual scheduling.
I was also expecting something new when I read the announcement. It looks great like it is but I expect something like a calendar...
Alright! thanks :)
I was expecting something like a gantt chart :)
I was expecting a calendar type thing too, :(
Wait, wait. So "Visual Scheduling" means "we have icons for task actions." Hm. And this is a full-fledged "feature."
I love Todoist as much as the next organization nut, but this is a bit silly. Icons are not a feature.
I also thought visual scheduling would be the long awaited calendar. I like the new features, but I hope the calendar view will be coming soon.
I was also expecting something like a gantt chart, something that gives you an overview for planning all the tasks.
I am also very disappointed by this "Update". I wish the time was spent fixing the base functionality and iOS apps rather than skinning the existing interface and calling it a new feature. Get your priorities straight Todoist!!
We've very sorry to hear thht you're disappointed. We do prioritize our work, but have to consider multiple factors - both the calendar module as well as a way to improve fast rescheduling tasks have been requested by a lot of users. The calendar module may take mohts to develop, the scheduling improvement - days.
Therefore, given the choice between not improving scheduling at all and keep working on a calendar, and releasing this improvement while still working on a calendar, we've decided to quickly implement an improved UI for postponing per request of many users rather than most likely completely postpone the release of Next until we can offer a full calendar module.
Again, we're sorry for the disappointment :( but sometimes it's really a matter of adding a quick feature "in the meantime" or not and not adding it wouldn't make it possible to add a much more complex feature in this short time either.
David and OP,
I apologise for venting my frustrations in this topic, but I will continue and detail my position.
I find the whole 'Next' announcement to be over-inflated nonsense designed to attract attention and gain hits/users, whilst not actually providing a great deal of functionality. When using terms such as 'complete rewrite' and the quote from your CEO
"Amir Salihefendic, Todoist’s CEO, says: “People have completed millions of tasks and projects using our previous software. With Todoist Next, we expect this to increase to billions of tasks and projects. It’s that significant of an improvement.”"
It's a significant improvement? Really?!
To go back to the Visual Scheduling. The blog article reads:
"Visually schedule your day: Todoist Next’s visual scheduling features makes managing your daily, monthly, or yearly agenda extremely simple."
I fail to see any functional changes here except the use of icons instead of text menu items. That does not warrant the description used. You mention prioritisation. How many support requests are open requesting bug fixes or further features (with hundreds or thousands of votes). How many votes did changing the scheduling from text to icons receive?
I admit that sharing the tasks between users could well be a useful feature, the sceptical side of me says however that this is perhaps just to entice new users as branches of the existing user base.
Finally, a sentence in the blog to explain how Next affects existing users (both free and Premium) would be useful.
I try to remain optimistic about the product, but the less than pragmatic approach the key issues is troubling.
I agree with Chris. Aside from collaboration features (which I don't expect to use), Todoist Next ended up just a minor visual tweaking of mobile client and the web app, and the announcement was way out of proportion to that.
The primary advantage Todoist has over competitors is arbitrary list structure, as opposed to "5 flat lists should be fine" approach many others take, but I was hoping there would be some improvements to daily workflows.
I found the "next" launch a little disappointing, I was expecting something profoundly different rather than a few "tweaks" here and there. I'd have liked to see the ability to sort lists and labels, multiple select tasks and send them to a project (android client) and a calendaring add on. The promotional videos were quite hilarious and its a shame there was so much hype for so little difference. I can only assume they pay their PR and Marketing teams more than their poor programmers and support people ;-) I still like the product, its the best of the bunch in this "space" I just wish their marketing was a little more honest.
As a new user of Todoist, I am getting used to its current features. When I opened the email announcing "Next" today I got quite excited that having recently found the tool, it was already being vastly upgraded. I soon got very confused as I was not sure if my account would automatically upgrade. I watched the videos; no help. Looked on the blog; no help. This forum illuminated the situation for me, thanks guys.
I agree with all the comments so far posted. In addition, I would like to add, "Instead of helping me be more productive today, this "upgrade" has wasted me at least half an hour!
I agree to all of the above comments and just want to add one more from my side: please be very careful with these purely marketing driven announcements - this is one of the main reasons why I went away from Wunderlist and became a fanatic ToDoist user. There I received announcements, CEO blog entries, update information about little changes for devices I'm not interested in...and and and almost weekly - but no real changes which supported my daily To-Do-Live. And I was very satisfied that ToDoist just let me do my work. Yesterday's "bubble" will hopefully remain the exception, otherwise (maybe not only) my Karma will decrease and my disappointment level will increase!
Love todoist and am a premium member. However spent much of yesterday concerned regarding loosing work due to the sync issues experienced. Unimpressed over the 'visual scheduling' feature- they are just icons replacing text (I understood the meaning of the text more!) Also the main reason for going premium was for the instant syncing. Now that is standard can I have a part refund please?
Meant to say despite sounding negative above I think the ability to share tasks is excellent! Well done for this development. A few colleagues also use todoist so we will be able to play with this feature over the coming weeks. Thank you
I agree that the "sharing" feature is probably the most useful thing that came out of this whole "Next" thing, but I haven't used it yet.
I realise that this is my problem because of my own tweaking, but I want to share anyway: the update has 'broken' the "Stylish" style that I used to improve the web UI. The style made columns wider (a particular problem for me, as I have long project names). You say that you wanted to get a simple UI task done - I suggest that the ability to change column widths (which was suggested a long time ago) should be next!
Once again, we're very sorry for any disappointment and inconvenience our launch or marketing of Todoist Next has caused you.
Nonetheless, we truly believe that the improvements are significant and make Todoist more user-friendly with the 3 tabs to manage projects, labels and filters, a truly improved postponing - not only these are new icons which are always a faster way to modify the date than to open the task and type a new one, but the also don't break the recurring task's pattern allowing postponing of just one occurrence and not change the date pattern and finally sharing - a very often requested feature which we think will greatly improve the productivity of teams.
Furthermore, we have deliberately made the changes mostly on the back without modifying the complete UI to maintain the simplistic design our existing users are familiar with and what's often one of the main reasons why Todoist is chosen over competition - for an easy, simple tool that lets you focus on your work and not on operating the tool itself.
Again, we're very sorry to hear that you're disappointed by it. We certainly never did and never will stop fixing bugs or glitches and will continue adding new ones. This is not the end of the development of Todoist, but another milestone bringing it to the next level. We hope further improvements will satisfy your needs an expectations in the future.
Complaining is easy...
You're doing a very good job to make our life easier ! and it works !
Sharing project is an excellent feature. I'll be using this a lot with my colleague so thanks for that.
The way you introduced the "scheduling" feature was probably the reason why we all got very excited and then disappointed because it doesn't make much difference...although it is much better.
I'm sure we'll have excellent new features and improvement in the future.
I tried Todoist out several years ago and found it wanting. The latest announcement actually caught my attention and now I'm giving it a try again. So that worked.
But I must say that the Visual Scheduling feature blurb is what piqued my interest most and when I started looking for it I got confused. So I Googled and found this thread. For what it's worth, the way Visual Scheduling was trumpeted it sounded like a ground-breaking new feature that no other tool had done before.
But if the main reason for the announcement was to draw in new (or returning) users, then the strategy worked well in my case.
Todoist Next IS better than previous version, but not to the extend of the marketing approach.
Fully agree with Malte: what make the ( very little ) disapointment are not the improvments, but the disproportionned marketing message.
Still, it is a better version so let's forget the mktg and enjoy Next !
I'm in the same camp as Matt - I've been a "lurking" potential user for some time (I'm currently committed to another task manager but always keep an eye out for something better) and the announcement sounded interesting (especially the "visual scheduling" which I, like others, had assumed was some kind of innovative calendar or gantt type view). I then went to your site to read about the new features and was confused to see no mention at all of this much touted "visual scheduling", so I logged in and couldn't see any sign of this feature in the UI either. I thought perhaps it had not yet been rolled out or that it was "hidden" in some way so tried a google search for more info and found this thread.
Despite being disappointed that "visual scheduling" just means "we've added some icons and given you an easy way to postpone tasks", I do really like this idea of the simple postponement feature. It is a frequent frustration I've had with most task managers I've used, as the reality is that unless you are impeccably productive you are likely to have to reschedule tasks fairly often and changing dates often messes up the repeat settings. So this does sound like a great feature, but you've missed a trick in describing it in such an unclear way as "visual scheduling", and then failing to go into any detail about what this actually means anywhere obvious on your site!
As others have said, lose the vague but more-impressive-sounding-than-they-really-are announcements in your marketing and you won't annoy & alienate your current & prospective customers! Yes, obviously you want to sound enthusiastic and hype things up a bit, but not to the extent that you get people's hopes up and disappoint them. And when you do announce a new feature, make sure you explain it properly on your site rather than forcing people to hunt down the information themselves.
I am still keeping an eye on todoist though I'm not sure I'm 100% convinced it's worth the hassle of switching just yet, however you are one of the top contenders if I were to make the switch!
When I first heard of this "visual scheduling" feature of Todoist, I was thinking at something like Any.do Moment http://www.any.do/anydo#moment . I think that is a great way to plan your day specially if you have a bunch of tasks that you have to get done today, but you don't necessarily have a time for each of them. So the app just asks you to prioritize and schedule them at different hours and automatically adds a reminder for that task.
I think the Daily Planning feature would be a huge bonus.
In defense of David Trey and the rest of ToDoist staff, I see that the real issue is not with them not working hard in deploying much desired features but with Todoist communication practices that are setting unrealistic expectations. Much of what Chris Heys said was supported by actual quotes from the company. Maybe setting realistic expectations (especially from Todoist marketing/PR/Management), and under promising and over delivering will help the company avoid disappointing customers. Your product is great and I love using it. Just please make your announcements coincide with the timing and actual changes to the product. That's my two cents! Hope to see a new 'gantt' like chart in the future and pretty soon. Keep up the good work! I've started implementing this in our homeless ministry nonprofit and its helped a lot. :)