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Format Functions Within Notes & the INBOX Commotion

GK

Hi, David,

I just tried to bold some text within a note and the function did not work using the Ctl+B. I was able to get it to work by inserting the '!!', but was wondering if this is something that I should know so that I don't keep trying it & wasting time. Does that particular shortcut and others like it (italics, underline) not function when w/in a note? Also I notice that I AM able to hit enter to get to the next line when w/in a note, but of course normally we have to use the Ctl+M (when in Chrome). It's really nice - should I not get used to it? :)

I'd also like to voice my agreement to another comment made in the other looooooooooooooooooooon thread about the hot button Inbox topic. Since I'm here and busy, I'll just do so now. I, too, wish that when new formats were initiated there was some way that they were communicated to us. I have found out every such change since I've been using Todoist quite by accident - something occurs or doesn't and it forces me to research it w/in Todoist or online. Can't there be some communication with your users? And if you haven't noticed (yes, that's a joke), many are finding the few Todoist responses in that thread to be a little imperious and dismissive. I'm sorry to have to say that I would agree.

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David Trey staff
Replied on Jul 30, 2013 - 19:04

Hello,

It's true that the bold and italic keyboard shortcuts don't work within task notes. I have passed this to the developers, and we'll look into implementing it soon. As for using multiple lines within a task - we've deprecated this feature although the shortcuts still works for now, but in general please use notes for long text with multiple lines and tasks just to state the "goal" of what this task is for. Of course you can format it as you want, use | to separate things visually, but multiple lines may have compatibility issues in some cases.

We pretty much always announce new features on our social media channels. Please follow us on Facebook, Google+ and Twitter to get the latest news. This one change has been announced with the publishing of the new iOS app and we've added it to the web already for compatibility reasons, but we'll soon make further bigger changes to the web-app which will make the Inbox more distinctive and separate from regular projects (similarly to the mobile apps).

We're sorry to hear that you don't like it and that you find our responses dismissive. We believe that this will be a great features and it's already been a huge success for us and after we publish the next changes, we hope you'll also see how it will work and be presented.


Best regards,
David

GK
G Klein premium
Replied on Jul 30, 2013 - 19:39

You're doing it again - yes, definitely dismissive! Seriously, David, enough. It causes anger - literal anger - when you keep telling everyone that they just "don't get it yet", but will love it. There are features in every product (from the HUGE protocols to the small) that some or most users dislike. What makes so many of us gravitate toward Todoist is the user flexibility. All this Inbox does for those of us who prefer a different default is cause us lost time due to the lack of fluidity. I am a paid user, but I have a folder flowing with options and am getting to the point where I'm wondering if I should leave Todoist now. If this is the path that you are going down, the dictatorial nature of things is only likely to get worse. I love your product, so this outlook is a sad one for me. And obviously many others.

I abhor FB and the like (for the most part) and am not a regular visitor, and that leaves me out of your loop, I suppose. If you won't do e-mail blasts from time to time (some of us still communicate this old-fashioned way), might you consider a place w/in the site where you keep running posts of changes as an easy reference that doesn't involve a third party website? In other words, whatever you're posting on FB et al, could you make a space for it on your own Website ... or is it here and I just don't know that either?

David Trey staff
Replied on Jul 30, 2013 - 21:24

Again, I'm sorry to hear that you find my reply dismissive. It's the truth and this is what we think about this feature based on how successful and helpful it actually turned out to be for many users. We understand that you're frustrated if it has influenced your workflow. If you always use a default project to add new tasks - that's what the new inbox is for, you can use it instead, you can delete your current default project if you like.

Again, we're sorry for any inconvenience it has caused you, we truly believe in this being a great addition, we do not want to lie to you and we're sorry to hear that you consider our true responses dismissive.

As for our feature announcements, even though you can unsubscribe from our emails, we still get many negative responses to any emails we send so we try to keep email communication minimal. If you don't want to use either of these 3 channels directly, please check our blog at https://todoist.com/blog Although we primarily announce only bigger changes there, it also has a small box with our Twitter feed on the right where you can see our recent announcements.


Best regards,
David

GK
G Klein premium
Replied on Jul 31, 2013 - 15:06

You write of unsubscribing from your e-mails - I don't get any so apparently I've missed that, too. I'm hoping that your blog is linked to the Todoist Web site - if so, I'll certainly have a look. Thanks.

As for the Inbox - oh my, I'm tired of the discussion, but even more tired of dealing with the Inbox itself every day. I don't care how much more distinctive it will be in the future - that makes no difference to me and many others. Unfortunately, you're not listening. It works for many? It's been successful? Your responses have been "true"? Fabulous, and no argument. But why force it upon one and all? You've never answered that directly or indirectly. Those of us who dislike the fact that the default Inbox is not changeable are quite aware that for some it is a great tool. I personally use one project more than others, but far from exclusively. I don't want a distribution point, like my e-mail, but rather it's most convenient for me to categorize it appropriately immediately and then not worry about it again until the day and w/in the project that I have determined. This sentiment has been shared by many others, and other valid arguments against the rigidity of the Inbox have been stated over and over and over again. As I said, your responses never indicate anything more than a polite 'acknowledge and ignore' stance, and you must realize that such language is not encouraging in any way. I'm honestly not trying to have the last word here, but every Todoist response has ignored the specifics of the points made, talked around it, and been more concerned with indicating that some of us just haven't caught on to the wonder that is the magical Inbox. Every time you or someone else (on behalf of the Todoist team) say the same thing without saying why you won't consider simply making it optional I feel compelled to answer. And I really am tired of it, and I'm certain that you must be also. For that I'm sorry, David, because you've always been so great.

David Trey staff
Replied on Jul 31, 2013 - 18:18

The reasons why we do not want to make the Inbox optional are:
- It's very complex to handle this feature as an option on one platform while having it as an integrated feature on other platforms (mobile). On mobile it's a part of the interface and will soon be on the web too. Making it optional across all platforms is not an option (even for many technical reasons).
- We see our products in a certain way and want to move towards that direction. This involves the inbox as a part of it. Unfortunately, I can't reveal any specific details on what revolutionary features we work on right now, but they'll be published rather soon.
- We will improve the "Quick Add" feature. You can already enter projects using the hashtag in the searchbox, once it's possible to select a project while adding a task this way, the issue with having the project selection drop-down menu above the task input box (in Quick Add) will make the choice of a project trivial.

We understand that the main issue reported about the inbox is that it becomes the default project when using Quick Add. As mentioned above, we plan to optimize the quick add feature as dragging a project to the top to make it a default project is just a workaround for a different issue which is difficult project selection in Quick Add.


Best regards,
David

GK
G Klein premium
Replied on Jul 31, 2013 - 19:07

Well, David - why in the world didn't you say THAT from the beginning??? It least it sounds like something promising MIGHT lay ahead for the naysayers. I literally just saw yet another posting in the long-running Inbox thread. Why don't you just copy & paste this reply into that one? Seriously, it's a good idea. While it may not really be what many of us hoped to hear, it's much more direct and addresses the 'why can't we change the default project' question with an answer that is ... dare I say ... to some degree ... ouch - this might hurt ... understandable. :)

GK
G Klein premium
Replied on Jul 31, 2013 - 19:07

Oops! Did I forget to say thank you? Thank you.

David Trey staff
Replied on Aug 17, 2013 - 12:59

Hello,

Regarding the issue with formatting text within task notes - it has been fixed now and you can use Ctrl+B and Ctrl+I within notes to format the selected text.


Best regards,
David

Roger Jones premium
Replied on Oct 20, 2013 - 08:28

It's good to know that text can be formatted within Notes.

However, I use notes for checklists for stuff in the future. eg trips back to home and return from where I am working long-term in Africa.

I would love to have the ubiquitous Check Box available in Notes, and also get the same satisfaction I get in TD when the item is checked and crossed out.

I have a 'Project' called Checklists where I put the title of each checklist, eg 'Back to UK' and 'From UK', but then I put items as I think of them in a Note attached.
Example: the 'Back To UK' notes list the things to be done before I leave my work location in December PLUS the things I want to do while back at home in the UK, such as buying supplies and other items (like a NAS device) to bring back here after my Christmas break.

David Trey staff
Replied on Oct 20, 2013 - 11:53

Hello Roger,

Thank you for your feedback. We would strongly recommend to use sub-projects or sub-tasks in this situation.

For example, instead of having one task and adding notes about each "steps" for this task, you could either create a sub-project and have tasks instead of notes representing these steps, or have sub-tasks below this task.

To create sub-tasks, please use the icons on the right side of the task input field (or Ctrl+RightArrow) while adding it from within a project (through the "Add task" link at the bottom) or editing it. Same applies for projects and sub-projects.


Best regards,
David