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Can I Disable Karma?

JB

I just noticed the "Karma" points on the web version of Todoist. Is that new? I read the help and apparently todoist is now going to judge me and rate my productivity habits, whether I want to or not.

We are not all type-A personalities. Some of us need a to-do list app because we have enough trouble keeping up with such people in the corporate world. I'm sure some people will love this but if you're going to add such a potentially objectionable feature you should also include an easy way to hide or disable it. If there is a way to do that I can't find it.

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Michael Glass premium
Replied on Mar 26, 2013 - 14:09 UTC

I came here to post the exact same thing. Please let us do this and without posting the request to the Votebox etc etc.

Amir Salihefendic staff
Replied on Mar 26, 2013 - 14:14 UTC

Hi everyone

Right now we are focusing on rolling this out to everyone without many problems. We will probably add an option to disable this!

Tho' we think you should give the system a chance - - it might have positive improvements on your productivity :-)

Best regards,
Amir

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Unknown
Replied on Mar 26, 2013 - 14:23 UTC

I also would like to disable karma. I did not like the link to number of completed task link in chrome either. It always gets in the way when I want to add a task (hover my mouse over it activates it). I understand what karma does but I do not need that.

Please at least disable the hover function in chrome extension.

Thanks.


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Bobby premium
Replied on Mar 26, 2013 - 15:24 UTC

For now, if you are using firefox you can install the extension "Remove it permanently". That will allow you to right click on karma and remove it. It should not affect any other aspect of todoist. If you ever decide you want it back, you can easily bring it back. Something similar may be available for chrome as well.

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JM B premium
Replied on Mar 26, 2013 - 15:54 UTC

Thanks for the replies.
I don't really feel the need to give this a chance. Having a functional to-do list that allows me to work the way I choose to is what I need in order to have a positive impact on my productivity.

There are as many ways to effectively use a to-do list as there are people who use it. And frankly it's a bit cheeky to rate me on how I choose to use this tool. Having some algorithm award and deduct points based on my behaviour is only going to have a negative impact on my mood and will do nothing for my productivity.

David Trey staff
Replied on Mar 26, 2013 - 16:03 UTC

JM,

Thank you for your feedback. As Amir mentioned, we'll consider adding an option to disable it, but please note that this system does not affect any of Todoist's features - you can completely ignore this feature and it won't affect our interface in any other place, we won't add any options to the app itself that may affect its usability.


Best regards,
David

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Unknown
Replied on Mar 26, 2013 - 16:47 UTC

I agree with JM 100%. Karma only reduces my mood when I have more tasks than I can handle (that is THE reason I need todoist in the first place). It is a distraction to an otherwise clean and focused interface, especially when it is placed prominently next to the add task button.

Thanks Bobby for the suggesion on RIP. Applied it and feel much better.

JB
JM B premium
Replied on Mar 26, 2013 - 17:22 UTC

I just blocked it in Chrome using AdBlock extension. But I also use it for work from a machine that only has IE and I can't block that one.

Will look forward to a built-in option to block it.
Thanks.

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Karen
Replied on Mar 26, 2013 - 18:34 UTC

This was a monumentally stupid idea. At the VERY least, it should have been an opt-in thing, not an opt-out one for which there IS no opt-out. I need a to-do app that isn't constantly "improving".

Thanks very much for the AdBlock idea. Not sure how to pick something specific to block, but I'll look into my options.

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Amy Rogers
Replied on Mar 26, 2013 - 19:24 UTC

I agree with the folks here who does not want or need Karma. I use the desktop version and am annoyed that there isn't a way to disable the feature when it was released.

It does get in the way - when I scroll over the area, the Karma window opens and wouldn't close unless I click on "Karma."

Please don't say "we'll consider adding an option to disable it." Say that you will add an option to disable it and I hope it will be sooner than later.




David Trey staff
Replied on Mar 26, 2013 - 19:49 UTC

Amy,

It's not required to click on "Karma" to close the box, it disappears after 1 second when you hover out of it. If that's not the case, please try to click on the TD icon in the notifications area (system tray) and log out from the app, log back in and let us know if the issue persists.


Best regards,
David

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Oliver
Replied on Mar 26, 2013 - 20:41 UTC

I don't like this Karma addition either. My problem is not really with the points system, it is with the naming. Karma has eastern/hinduism religious connotations at least where I live in the world. I'm not Hindu and don't belong to an eastern religion and don't want to be earning Karma points. The whole idea that you can improve Karma (as I understand it) by ticking off items in your to-do list is a little strange. I find Todoist great without this Karma addition thing. Please create an option so I can make it go away.
Thanks.

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hughodonnell44 premium
Replied on Mar 26, 2013 - 22:43 UTC

Get rid of it, guys.

Like Amy Rogers said, Please don't say "we'll consider adding an option to disable it." Say that you will add an option to disable it and I hope it will be sooner than later.

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hughodonnell44 premium
Replied on Mar 26, 2013 - 22:51 UTC

What Bobby said about Firefox worked like a charm. Thanks, Bobby!

No more "Karma" distraction!

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hughodonnell44 premium
Replied on Mar 26, 2013 - 22:53 UTC

Well, the Firefox extension only works as long as you're in Todoist. If you toggle out and go back, Karma reappears.

Okay, Todoist Staff, time to step up to the plate. Get a disable feature up here or I'll be going back to GoodToDo.

David Trey staff
Replied on Mar 26, 2013 - 23:04 UTC

We will surely consider adding an option to disable it soon, but as always - we would appreciate if you could clarify what distracts you most about this feature. How would you change it? Are you experiencing any issues with it on certain platforms?

Todoist Karma visually only replaces the "# Completed" link and there is no additional functionality added to any existing feature, no Karma notifications or any other distracting options. Please let us know what you don't like about Karma as it could help us adjust this system in the future (aside from adding an option to disable it).


Best regards,
David

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Karen
Replied on Mar 27, 2013 - 01:48 UTC

What I don't like about Karma:

(1) Completely unnecessary distraction and waste of time for people who want to structure and record their to-do lists, not play a bunch of games.

(2) Foisted on us without even the ability to make it go away.

(3) Accidentally hovering over it brings forth a pop-up. Nobody wants that or asked for it.

(4) The color red is very distracting on a B&W interface...which you knew...which is why you made it red. You think this isn't "distracting"? Then why did you intentionally make it red?

(5) See #1 again. Repeat.

Will be looking into GoodToDo, thanks hughodonnell44.

Last time I EVER pay for a todo list. I've learned my lesson.

JB
JM B premium
Replied on Mar 27, 2013 - 03:19 UTC

I really like ToDoist and this Karma thing alone would not make me switch.

But I am a web developer and I know that you don't just add a feature like this that no one asked for... that's right in the user's face... and that gives the impression that you are somehow monitoring their behaviour and then rating them on it.

I just want to track my many projects and tasks. I don't have time to look at annoying pop-ups and metrics about them. If I had that kind of time I might not need ToDoist. Perhaps the underlying functionality itself would be useful to the ESTJ's among us... but either way make it optional and not in my face. And don't imply that you know better how I should be managing my tasks. And don't award me meaningless points unless I can use them to buy swag.

I get it... Karma is about reaping what you sow and having your own actions reflected back to you... clever. Now please make it go away.

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Barry premium
Replied on Mar 27, 2013 - 13:36 UTC

I want to add my voice in asking for the option to disable karma.

As someone that is highly self motivated, obsessive, and meticulous, karma is extremely counter-productive for me.

I migrated from Remember the Milk to Todoist because Todoist had a minimalist interface that I found much more productive than Remember the Milk's.

Someone like me can't just ignore karma because it's in my nature to want everything to be perfect in the tools that I use.

If you guys don't add the ability to turn off karma then I'll probably end up writing a userscript to disable it. But I don't want to do that if I don't have to—one of the reasons I switched from Remember the Milk to Todoist was so that I didn't have to do so much client-side customizing to make the tool work for me.

Todoist without karma was almost perfect for me. With karma is less so.

Please add the ability to opt-out.

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Barry premium
Replied on Mar 27, 2013 - 15:23 UTC

Someone already said this, but for the sake of feedback I'll add:

The difference (for me) between just a counter of completed tasks and the karma display is that the karma display adds an element of judgement to the tasks that I'm completing.

Usually I just complete a task, postpone it, whatever the case may be.

But now my karma will go up when I complete a task, and down when I postpone a task. Plus there are karma bonuses for using features like labels, etc.

I understand that some people may enjoy this type of game-ification (a la reddit) of their task management process.

But I do not—adding an element of "is this action going to decrease or increase my karma level?" to my decision making, when managing tasks, is extra overhead that I find distracting and frustrating.

The task completed counter doesn't do this because it's just a simple counter. All it does is tell me how many tasks I've completed, which is something that I find to be neutral.

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Rae
Replied on Mar 27, 2013 - 16:46 UTC

I really dislike this feature. It stresses me out, and, no, I won't continue using todoist if the feature remains in the form it is currently in.

As someone who constantly moves tasks around as the situation changes, I find the karma feature really annoying. Yes, I postponed that task to work on another that I found to be more pressing or useful only after assigning the original task for that date. Yes, I took a day off and didn't make up the work until the weekend. Most of my deadlines are self-imposed, and I don't need help to judge my productivity.

Additionally, planning far ahead will come back to haunt you since work situations and deadlines may change over time, so I actually find it counter-productive in the long term. I'm less likely to put something far ahead on the calendar.

David Trey staff
Replied on Mar 27, 2013 - 20:20 UTC

Hello,

We've implemented an option to disable Karma. You can go to the Settings -> Account and turn it off from there. After you refresh the page, you'll see the old "# Completed" count.


Best regards,
David

JB
JM B premium
Replied on Mar 27, 2013 - 20:24 UTC

Excellent! Thank you for the quick response.
I just changed my setting and can confirm that it works. I can also confirm that I much prefer the # Completed display.

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Amy Rogers
Replied on Mar 27, 2013 - 20:26 UTC

THANK YOU. I appreciate the quick action!

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Bobby premium
Replied on Mar 27, 2013 - 20:42 UTC

Awesome! That right there is why I use Todoist (well one of the reasons - I mean it's really the best out there). They listen to what their users have to say and actually act on it. I've seen countless features added to Todoist because of user voting. More companies need to take notice. Todoist will continue to get my business and my recommendations to friends and clients.

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hughodonnell44 premium
Replied on Mar 27, 2013 - 22:12 UTC

Thanks again! Keeping it simple and out of mind is a basic tenent of GTD.

Now if we can just get rid of the todo body count...("completed")

Anyway, thank you for the prompt response!

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Barry premium
Replied on Mar 27, 2013 - 22:12 UTC

Thank you!

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Unknown
Replied on Mar 27, 2013 - 22:43 UTC

Great! Glad I can turn Karma off. It would be even better if I can turn Completed Count off as well. At least turn the mouse hover off!

Thank you Thank you!

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Oliver
Replied on Mar 28, 2013 - 07:46 UTC

Thanks David for listening and the very quick response to this.

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sean pirtle
Replied on Mar 28, 2013 - 17:44 UTC

THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!!!!

Is it possible to turn off the 'completed' count too?

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Barry premium
Replied on Mar 28, 2013 - 18:11 UTC

Being able to turn off the 'completed' count would be great.

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Bobby premium
Replied on Mar 28, 2013 - 18:21 UTC

Since the completed count has been in place for quite a while, I believe that would be something better put up for a vote. Obviously you can't please everyone, so Todoist needs to focus on the features the majority of the users want.

For things that you personally do not care for, but the majority would probably not agree, the previously mentioned R.I.P. extension for Firefox, among other things such as grease monkey, would fit your needs. Using such tools, you can customize things to your hearts content.

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Scott O'Hara premium
Replied on Mar 31, 2013 - 17:13 UTC

I agree with much of the sentiment against the Karma feature expressed here. I have been using Todoist for several months now and I think it is by far the best such application I have encountered. I have moved practically all my "to do" stuff, both personal and work-related onto it.

So, I was more than a little dismayed when Karma was rolled out. It seemed like the wrong focus, when there are so many other areas of improvement listed in the Votebox. For example, I am especially looking forward to the Calendar module.

Now that Todoist has a following, you need to be careful about protecting your brand if you want to continue to grow your business. Since Karma seemed so unexpected and not at all something I was interested in, it made me wonder whether I could trust Todoist to continue to develop an app that I wanted.

Hopefully, this is a just a learning experience for a creative and talented development team.

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Amy Rogers
Replied on Mar 31, 2013 - 17:31 UTC

After our earlier feedback, I appreciated ToDoist enabled a function to turn off "Karma." In the following days, I realize that this action turned off only the red Karma display and replaced it with "xx completed" link. It did not remove the function at all.

I am reminded of this when I move my cursor across the link and the full Complete history is displayed. I don't need to know how many I completed tasks. I bought ToDoist only to remember to do tasks and follow up actions.

Please remove "XX completed" link or, at least, don't display the history when one hovers on the link. The history display is distracting.

David Trey staff
Replied on Mar 31, 2013 - 18:15 UTC

Hello Amy,

The "# Completed" feature has been introduced about 1 year ago and switching off Karma reverts the view back to as it was for the past year.

As a productivity application, we think that a productivity chart is a useful tool and as any other feature of Todoist - it's not required to use. We're sorry if it causes you any inconvenience. If you're experiencing any technical issue with this feature or an issue has been introduces as we've added the option to turn off Karma, please let us know and we'll look into it.


Best regards,
David

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hughodonnell44 premium
Replied on Mar 31, 2013 - 18:18 UTC

I'm with you, Amy, about losing the Karma feature. I don't need anyone to dole out pats on the back or guilt-inducing point losses. However, the "completed" option can be useful to some folks who want a quick visual on their actual productivity. For me, the option to click on "all" of my completed tasks is useful to trace the history of what I've done for a particular project.

Inasmuch as the "completed" feature has been part of the program for as long as I've been using it, I'd like to see it remain.

If your mouse bumps into the "completed" option when adding a task, maybe you'd prefer to use the alternative keyboard shortcut, "Control-Q."

Or, maybe the developers could locate the "completed" function on a different part of the screen where it wouldn't be a distraction.

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hughodonnell44 premium
Replied on Mar 31, 2013 - 18:25 UTC

David,

Could you move the "completed" function on a different part of the screen where it wouldn't be a distraction?



David Trey staff
Replied on Mar 31, 2013 - 18:27 UTC

Hugh,

You're welcome to add a request to move it to a different part of the screen to our Votebox: http://todoist.com/Vote/ and clarify where would you like to see this link.


Best regards,
David

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gabbynikki premium
Replied on Apr 01, 2013 - 21:13 UTC

Thank you for adding the option to disable Karma. I may use it at some point, but not right now. I disabled Karma under the account settings, so it's gone from my ToDoist web page, but it still shows up on my Firefox plugin. Do I need to refresh the plugin somehow?

David Trey staff
Replied on Apr 01, 2013 - 21:56 UTC

Hello,

Please try to click on the sync icon at the bottom of the plugin and if this won't help - log out and back in through the plugin. If this won't help either - open Firefox's Options -> Advanced -> Network and clear the cache and Todoist's offline data and reload the browser.


Best regards,
David

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Johan C. Brandstedt
Replied on Apr 02, 2013 - 08:52 UTC

+1 to disable, cheers for adding that.

Karma is terribly off-mark for me, as any tasks that relate to actual productivity is kept in various issue trackers at work. Todoist is a great tool to capture all the rest, though.

Best regards,
Johan

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Bram Bertels
Replied on Apr 03, 2013 - 11:01 UTC

I'm going to put down my statement too. But more particular about how stupid and childish some of you are. And can learn allot from the more professional people that also commented.

No names can be found in my reply, but if you feel spoken to. Its probably about you.

I think that 50% of you that asked to remove Karma, did it in a very childish way ("remove it or I'm leaving"!) Seriously? I can understand why some of you feel like they are being judged with karma. I really do.

You ask, you do not demand. (unless you have the authority/right to do so)

Facts to remember:
--> Every individual person has a personal vision. Based on our experiences, preferences, and interests.

This means that if something doesn't work out for you as you expected it would, It could be the exact opposite for someone else. Try to see the global picture.

--> Todoist developers are in charge of what will be developed, not you!

You may give your feedback, and it is probably very welcome. But keep in mind that Todoist hears many voices and receives a lot of feedback.

Satisfying every single user is impossible. If you can? Make it happen!

--> Everything in life has pros and cons, Same as every new feature does.

Most I've read was about how terrible it was. Some even made giant elephants from what I recall as a couple of mice.

--> I suggest you all get ready for change, Because the digital Era is growing fast. Many things will change in the upcoming years. Things some will love, and some will hate. Please respect others.

Now I'm finished sharing my opinion.

I'd like to say I actually Like Karma, The feature doesn't help me to be more productive. It does give me extra joy in completing tasks.

I do share the opinion that the possibility to disable this 'tracking' function should be present. Therefore it's good they have added it. Some people simply don't like to be tracked/traced and should have the ability to do so.

PS: English is not my main-language. I apologize for typo's.

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Rae
Replied on Apr 03, 2013 - 14:25 UTC

If someone was once willing to pay me for a service but will not do so anymore because of something that can easily be fixed (hiding a display), I would want to know before they took their money elsewhere. The staff obviously found the information useful.

I'm glad you like karma. I also like it as an option that can be turned on and off.

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Bram Bertels
Replied on Apr 04, 2013 - 06:32 UTC

Rae,

I think you read to quickly. I agree that the on and off function should be present.

I was annoyed with 'how' people demanded / asked for it.

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Rae
Replied on Apr 04, 2013 - 14:28 UTC

I think you misread, because I understood you completely.

I was disagreeing with your attack on others who expressed themselves in a way you found "annoying" by saying I think it's valuable for the staff to know if people will no longer use their product (i.e., claiming they are going to leave if they do not change it.) In addition, this is at least in part a paid service, so people do have the right to as you put it "demand" change (in this case more of a reversal of a change) or take their money elsewhere. I also said that if I were making a product I'd rather hear those opinions than have a lot of people leave (or switch to a free account!) for seemingly no reason.

Then, I said I also like it as an option as in "me too at least we agree on something."

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Bram Bertels
Replied on Apr 05, 2013 - 08:56 UTC

Hi Rae,

I agree that for a paid service they can request features and tell the staff that they are leaving if they do not apply to their wishes.

But what I meant was that there are 2 ways to say it.
Either you can say it with a constructive feedback. How and why?

Or just say My way, or the Highway.

As you stated, They would like to hear your opinion. Some are more valuable than others. And I'm talking about those that are not so valuable. They lack background information.

As you will most likely agree with this, A opinion has a background. And I believe that the staff would 'like' an opinion, but 'love' a background.

And English is not my main-language so referrals such as 'as in' are not always understood if not focussed upon.

Brendon Wadey staff
Replied on Aug 06, 2013 - 16:01 UTC

Hi Bryan,

As mentioned above, We've implemented an option to disable Karma. You can go to the Settings -> Account and turn it off from there. Then just refresh the page.

Thanks,
Brendon.

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Bryan Hudson
Replied on Aug 06, 2013 - 16:07 UTC

Thanks for adding the option to remove karma! I did not read down the thread to see this added option.

I removed my comment in this regard